people tend to forget that terfs are feminists??! like, they’re vile and revolting and demonic but they’re feminists, and therefore tend to… well… agree with many of the things that non-terf feminists say. they talk about sexism, lesbophobia, rape culture, misogyny, etc. when there’s a post that is completely unrelated to trans exclusion and there are many terfs reblogging it, that doesn’t mean that it’s ~~~terf rhetoric uwu~~~, it just means that terfs agree with it, and while this may come off wrong, not everything that terfs say is bad.
before you decapitate me, let me explain. i hate terfs as much as the next guy. they piss me off and make me want to cry out of frustration and rage. i love my trans sisters and would defend them with my life. HOWEVER. i am also a feminist, and therefore i tend to reblog/make posts that some terfs will agree with, as much as i don’t like it. take for example a post about how casual sexism affects women on their daily lives. we can agree that this isn’t “terf rhetoric”, it’s basic feminism. however, terfs are gonna agree with it, not because it’s fucking “terf rhetoric” but because it’s about feminism and TERFS ARE FEMINISTS. shitty ones, but they’re feminists.
so when you see a post that has nothing to do with excluding, belittling, misgendering or mistreating trans women, and it has several terfs interacting with it, you should think critically before saying something stupid like “wow op this is terf rhetoric because a lot of terfs agree with you :/” in a post about like, lesbian issues. “terf rhetoric” (note the misuse of the term rhetoric but whatever) means “excluding and mistreating trans women”. anything that isn’t about excluding or mistreating trans women isn’t terf rhetoric.
believe it or not, terfs don’t sit around all day plotting the ultimate demise of trans women, they also have concerns about things that are Not Bad. i just saw a post where a lesbian talked about her negative experiences with mogai identities and some dumbass said “hey op… notice all the terfs in the notes??” one time i made a post about misogyny and a lot of terfs were interacting with it, so when i added something like “terfs fuck off” some dumbass replied “well this is Terf Rhetoric™ so…”. and just… no. nope! learn to think critically before saying this kind of senseless bullshit. bye!
(and before any of you assholes makes a “user cherrydiscourse is being a terf apologist :/” callout post or something, read what i actually wrote and think. critically.)
hand in your performative trans ally card and punch yourself in the face
This is the ugliest thing I have ever seen
Could someone please explain why this is Bad? I didn’t see anything wrong with it (other than calling terfs feminists when they’re very much not, but I thought the general point was ok even if it wasn’t phrased well) and I’d like to know what I missed. I mean, if a bunch of terfs reblogged a cat picture, that doesn’t necessarily mean the cat picture is a terf thing?
humanising terfs
FJKAJFKAJFKS how can one (1) individual be so oblivious ?? like ?? the post isn’t defending terfs it’s explaining that not everything that they agree with is inherently bad just because they agree with it ??
i don’t care about you
anyhow every single terf defender can choke to death on my fucking fist terfs aren’t even feminist
You’re fucking cis and saying this shit, OP? Fuck you, and fuck your terf-sympathizing performative ass.
jesus christ. you know i try very hard to be civil and nice but
ahem
FUCK YOUUUUU
Read the fucking post!!!! READ IT!!!!!!! i’m not saying terfs have good points dumbass i’m saying that just because terfs agree with something it doesn’t mean the thing is inherently bad!!
terfs = bad
the thing they agree with (that isn’t trans exclusion) = not inherently bad
is that clear enough or do i need to draw you a fucking picture
read the post asshole! read it!!! it’s easy!!!!!
I read the fucking post, and you shouldn’t be giving terfs an inch in the first place, because they take a mile. But whatever, continue to refuse to listen to trans people about this, why don’t you? 🙂
TERFS ARE NOT FEMINISTS
FEMINISTS FIGHT FOR ALL WOMEN, TERFS DO NOT
TERFS DO NOT AGREE WITH REAL FEMINISTS BECAUSE REAL FEMINISTS DEFEND TRANS WOMEN AND TERFS DON’T
SHUT YOUR CIS ASS UP
FUCK YOU
HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO GET THAT IF YOU START LISTENING TO TERFS ON OTHER THINGS THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE YOU’LL BASICALLY BE FUCKING INDOCTRINATED INTO THEIR FUCKING BELIEFS YOU FUCKING CIS SCUM
OP, you don’t seem to realize that when TERFs interact with something, it’s because it fits the mold of their rhetoric
You can say they’re bad all you want, but the very fact that you bring up MOGAI as “bad”? Yeah, you’re being indoctrined. You know why? Because the rhetoric that “MOGAI is bad for lesbians” stems from the “transgender people are bad for lesbians” both because 1) “lesbian transgender women” are just straight men trying to prey off lesbians to TERFs and 2) “straight transgender men” to TERFs are just lesbians with internalized homophobia – which is the same line of reasoning of “Evil MOGAI”, the 1) straight people who want to be a ~cool queer~ and 2) the lesbians with internalized homophobia
If a TERF can freely act with a post, that post isn’t doing enough to incorporate transgender women, TERFs should never be tolerated and never be given the benefit of the doubt – everything they do is against transgender women, nothing they do is for all women, they DO go out of their way to attack transgender women because EVERY SINGLE TIME they mention “women” they mean cisgender women and afab transgender and nonbinary people
It’s easy to say something is bad but your actions speak louder than words, OP, and if a bunch of transgender people, especially transgender women, are telling you that you’re wrong and you fight them and tell them that THEY are wrong, then you are already falling to TERF indoctrination
Nothing TERFs do is for women
Nothing
They hurts themselves in their confusion.
This is some of the funniest shit I’ve read in ages 😂😂😂😂😂😂
tfw it slowly dawns to women that it doesn’t matter a single bit how much you declare you would dieeeeeeeeee for your trans seeeeeeesters;
as soon as you say something along the lines of “um, maybe those women whom we all want to drop dead…are still kind of human beings, even though very very Bad human beings who should die, who lead very bad human lives that revolve around murdering trans women only like 98% of the time, so sometimes single words they utter might not be inherently hateful” you are basically already one of us.
radical feminists encourage people to actually start listening to TRA rhetoric to see how nonsensical it is. no gender critical person to my knowledge has ever been “indoctrinated” by TRA stupidity, but it happens the other way around all the time; which is why TRAs discourage people from listening to radical feminist rhetoric to prevent them seeing through the massive cracks.
they don’t want you to listen to the evil terves because they know we make sense and they don’t. their ideology crumbles immediately when someone stops repeating brainless slogans and starts to think. it’s not indoctrination to read convincing arguments and potentially change your mind lmao.
This is uh
Really something
Hopefully op sees that no matter how much trans ass you kiss it will never be enough and starts wondering why
Trans activism is misogyny and those TRAs who’ve replied to this post with threats and violence really do create more TERFs by the minute. OP, if you see this, and anyone thinking like her – you’re very welcome into the warm circle of woman-loving radical feminism if you want to.
I’d be very reluctant to let them in to be honest
They chose trans males and they will have to suffer the consequenes.
people tend to forget that terfs are feminists??! like, they’re vile and revolting and demonic but they’re feminists, and therefore tend to… well… agree with many of the things that non-terf feminists say. they talk about sexism, lesbophobia, rape culture, misogyny, etc. when there’s a post that is completely unrelated to trans exclusion and there are many terfs reblogging it, that doesn’t mean that it’s ~~~terf rhetoric uwu~~~, it just means that terfs agree with it, and while this may come off wrong, not everything that terfs say is bad.
before you decapitate me, let me explain. i hate terfs as much as the next guy. they piss me off and make me want to cry out of frustration and rage. i love my trans sisters and would defend them with my life. HOWEVER. i am also a feminist, and therefore i tend to reblog/make posts that some terfs will agree with, as much as i don’t like it. take for example a post about how casual sexism affects women on their daily lives. we can agree that this isn’t “terf rhetoric”, it’s basic feminism. however, terfs are gonna agree with it, not because it’s fucking “terf rhetoric” but because it’s about feminism and TERFS ARE FEMINISTS. shitty ones, but they’re feminists.
so when you see a post that has nothing to do with excluding, belittling, misgendering or mistreating trans women, and it has several terfs interacting with it, you should think critically before saying something stupid like “wow op this is terf rhetoric because a lot of terfs agree with you :/” in a post about like, lesbian issues. “terf rhetoric” (note the misuse of the term rhetoric but whatever) means “excluding and mistreating trans women”. anything that isn’t about excluding or mistreating trans women isn’t terf rhetoric.
believe it or not, terfs don’t sit around all day plotting the ultimate demise of trans women, they also have concerns about things that are Not Bad. i just saw a post where a lesbian talked about her negative experiences with mogai identities and some dumbass said “hey op… notice all the terfs in the notes??” one time i made a post about misogyny and a lot of terfs were interacting with it, so when i added something like “terfs fuck off” some dumbass replied “well this is Terf Rhetoric™ so…”. and just… no. nope! learn to think critically before saying this kind of senseless bullshit. bye!
(and before any of you assholes makes a “user cherrydiscourse is being a terf apologist :/” callout post or something, read what i actually wrote and think. critically.)
hand in your performative trans ally card and punch yourself in the face
This is the ugliest thing I have ever seen
Could someone please explain why this is Bad? I didn’t see anything wrong with it (other than calling terfs feminists when they’re very much not, but I thought the general point was ok even if it wasn’t phrased well) and I’d like to know what I missed. I mean, if a bunch of terfs reblogged a cat picture, that doesn’t necessarily mean the cat picture is a terf thing?
humanising terfs
FJKAJFKAJFKS how can one (1) individual be so oblivious ?? like ?? the post isn’t defending terfs it’s explaining that not everything that they agree with is inherently bad just because they agree with it ??
i don’t care about you
anyhow every single terf defender can choke to death on my fucking fist terfs aren’t even feminist
You’re fucking cis and saying this shit, OP? Fuck you, and fuck your terf-sympathizing performative ass.
jesus christ. you know i try very hard to be civil and nice but
ahem
FUCK YOUUUUU
Read the fucking post!!!! READ IT!!!!!!! i’m not saying terfs have good points dumbass i’m saying that just because terfs agree with something it doesn’t mean the thing is inherently bad!!
terfs = bad
the thing they agree with (that isn’t trans exclusion) = not inherently bad
is that clear enough or do i need to draw you a fucking picture
read the post asshole! read it!!! it’s easy!!!!!
I read the fucking post, and you shouldn’t be giving terfs an inch in the first place, because they take a mile. But whatever, continue to refuse to listen to trans people about this, why don’t you? 🙂
TERFS ARE NOT FEMINISTS
FEMINISTS FIGHT FOR ALL WOMEN, TERFS DO NOT
TERFS DO NOT AGREE WITH REAL FEMINISTS BECAUSE REAL FEMINISTS DEFEND TRANS WOMEN AND TERFS DON’T
SHUT YOUR CIS ASS UP
FUCK YOU
HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO GET THAT IF YOU START LISTENING TO TERFS ON OTHER THINGS THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE YOU’LL BASICALLY BE FUCKING INDOCTRINATED INTO THEIR FUCKING BELIEFS YOU FUCKING CIS SCUM
OP, you don’t seem to realize that when TERFs interact with something, it’s because it fits the mold of their rhetoric
You can say they’re bad all you want, but the very fact that you bring up MOGAI as “bad”? Yeah, you’re being indoctrined. You know why? Because the rhetoric that “MOGAI is bad for lesbians” stems from the “transgender people are bad for lesbians” both because 1) “lesbian transgender women” are just straight men trying to prey off lesbians to TERFs and 2) “straight transgender men” to TERFs are just lesbians with internalized homophobia – which is the same line of reasoning of “Evil MOGAI”, the 1) straight people who want to be a ~cool queer~ and 2) the lesbians with internalized homophobia
If a TERF can freely act with a post, that post isn’t doing enough to incorporate transgender women, TERFs should never be tolerated and never be given the benefit of the doubt – everything they do is against transgender women, nothing they do is for all women, they DO go out of their way to attack transgender women because EVERY SINGLE TIME they mention “women” they mean cisgender women and afab transgender and nonbinary people
It’s easy to say something is bad but your actions speak louder than words, OP, and if a bunch of transgender people, especially transgender women, are telling you that you’re wrong and you fight them and tell them that THEY are wrong, then you are already falling to TERF indoctrination
Nothing TERFs do is for women
Nothing
They hurts themselves in their confusion.
This is some of the funniest shit I’ve read in ages 😂😂😂😂😂😂
tfw it slowly dawns to women that it doesn’t matter a single bit how much you declare you would dieeeeeeeeee for your trans seeeeeeesters;
as soon as you say something along the lines of “um, maybe those women whom we all want to drop dead…are still kind of human beings, even though very very Bad human beings who should die, who lead very bad human lives that revolve around murdering trans women only like 98% of the time, so sometimes single words they utter might not be inherently hateful” you are basically already one of us.
radical feminists encourage people to actually start listening to TRA rhetoric to see how nonsensical it is. no gender critical person to my knowledge has ever been “indoctrinated” by TRA stupidity, but it happens the other way around all the time; which is why TRAs discourage people from listening to radical feminist rhetoric to prevent them seeing through the massive cracks.
they don’t want you to listen to the evil terves because they know we make sense and they don’t. their ideology crumbles immediately when someone stops repeating brainless slogans and starts to think. it’s not indoctrination to read convincing arguments and potentially change your mind lmao.
This is uh
Really something
Hopefully op sees that no matter how much trans ass you kiss it will never be enough and starts wondering why
Trans activism is misogyny and those TRAs who’ve replied to this post with threats and violence really do create more TERFs by the minute. OP, if you see this, and anyone thinking like her – you’re very welcome into the warm circle of woman-loving radical feminism if you want to.
I’d be very reluctant to let them in to be honest
They chose trans males and they will have to suffer the consequenes.
The thing is, regardless of your views on current trans ideology, you have to acknowledge that historically the only “women” who were oppressed for being women were females. The effects of that oppression last in the same way that the effects of racism last. But if, in say 2015, we altered the definition of “black people” to include white people who identified as black, and adjusted our discussions of/solutions to racism accordingly, we would no longer actually be addressing the existing effects of slavery and racism because we’d be including members of the historical oppressor class. That’s why transwomen shouldn’t be included in feminism or female safe spaces. Both exist to rectify historic and existing female oppression.
The thing is, regardless of your views on current trans ideology, you have to acknowledge that historically the only “women” who were oppressed for being women were females. The effects of that oppression last in the same way that the effects of racism last. But if, in say 2015, we altered the definition of “black people” to include white people who identified as black, and adjusted our discussions of/solutions to racism accordingly, we would no longer actually be addressing the existing effects of slavery and racism because we’d be including members of the historical oppressor class. That’s why transwomen shouldn’t be included in feminism or female safe spaces. Both exist to rectify historic and existing female oppression.
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Anti feminists often try to scare young women out of feminism by telling them no man will want them and that they’ll end up as cat ladies but the idea of being in an unhappy marriage is soul crushing
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