For real! Radical feminism should in every way challenge capitalist cishetero-patriarchy and the assumptions about our biology and psychology that it rests on, not reinforce conservative views of sex and gender as “common sense” and blame trans women, some of the most bullied and discriminated against women under patriarchy, for perpetuating the gendered violence they are largely the victims of (and claiming that their very existence and inclusion in their own spaces is “male violence”).
Ultimately I think the answer to the “liberal or radical feminism” question should be a third option: revolutionary feminism. A feminism that advocates for a completely different understanding of sex and gender, and inclusion of women from all walks of life -including trans women and sex workers- with theories and praxis focused primarily on absolute liberation.
Throwing the word “cis” in doesn’t change that you are upholding the hetero-patriarchy by working hard to position straight men at the forefront of gay and women’s issues. Which they will then ignore in favor of their own self-serving bullshit and saying they’re the most oppressed, re-establishing the status quo of being the most important people in the room.
And you want to talk capitalism? How about telling people they can purchase their identity via clothes, pins and cosmetic surgery?
Radical feminism is about the root of women’s oppression, and we’re being oppressed because we’re female. We have to understand that to fight it and we can do that without your involvement.
“terfs ruined radical feminism because they don’t include men uwuwuw”
not only OP has 0 clue about radical feminism, OP is also dumb.
Do trans activists understand what patriarchy is or how it oppresses women?
For real! Radical feminism should in every way challenge capitalist cishetero-patriarchy and the assumptions about our biology and psychology that it rests on, not reinforce conservative views of sex and gender as “common sense” and blame trans women, some of the most bullied and discriminated against women under patriarchy, for perpetuating the gendered violence they are largely the victims of (and claiming that their very existence and inclusion in their own spaces is “male violence”).
Ultimately I think the answer to the “liberal or radical feminism” question should be a third option: revolutionary feminism. A feminism that advocates for a completely different understanding of sex and gender, and inclusion of women from all walks of life -including trans women and sex workers- with theories and praxis focused primarily on absolute liberation.
Throwing the word “cis” in doesn’t change that you are upholding the hetero-patriarchy by working hard to position straight men at the forefront of gay and women’s issues. Which they will then ignore in favor of their own self-serving bullshit and saying they’re the most oppressed, re-establishing the status quo of being the most important people in the room.
And you want to talk capitalism? How about telling people they can purchase their identity via clothes, pins and cosmetic surgery?
Radical feminism is about the root of women’s oppression, and we’re being oppressed because we’re female. We have to understand that to fight it and we can do that without your involvement.
“terfs ruined radical feminism because they don’t include men uwuwuw”
not only OP has 0 clue about radical feminism, OP is also dumb.
Do trans activists understand what patriarchy is or how it oppresses women?
“You should read up on an ideology before you decide that it’s immoral and you hate it.”
“Do you have to read up on Nazis to know they are violent?”
YES! That is LITERALLY what we did in school! My teacher didn’t just throw up a *Nazis Don’t Interact* banner and then move on to the industrial revolution. We read books from people who survived concentration camps, we watched videos and saw pictures of the trains and mass graves, we had survivors speak at our school for fucksake! Not once did my teacher ever virtue signal, she gave us the facts about the time and various sources to back up those claims and THAT is how we learned that Nazis are bad. So yes, we read up on Nazis to learn that they’re shitty and violent.
We didn’t just read up on nazis. We read the original materials they produced, too. We read their books. We read what they thought and what their intentions were. You need to know what makes the bad guys bad so you can avoid becoming like them.
You need to understand what you are fighting for and what you are fighting against or you won’t fight for anything.
^^ Also
It actually is important to know *what* Nazis did. Otherwise, it’s too easy to be swayed by the idea that they simply hold a different point of view and just want “free speech” (which they don’t; Nazis burned books).
Some of us are old enough that we had relatives fight in WWII and tell us a bit about it. And we knew about their injuries from battle. And we had family members who didn’t come back. And we talked to their friends who had, for example, their POW number tattooed on their arm.
yo that’s important and all but @kiwipally is a TERF jsyk
Because that’s what’s important
Not what the nazis did or the importance of actually understanding understanding an ideology before you hate it
Women who don’t believe men are women are the issue
“You should read up on an ideology before you decide that it’s immoral and you hate it.”
“Do you have to read up on Nazis to know they are violent?”
YES! That is LITERALLY what we did in school! My teacher didn’t just throw up a *Nazis Don’t Interact* banner and then move on to the industrial revolution. We read books from people who survived concentration camps, we watched videos and saw pictures of the trains and mass graves, we had survivors speak at our school for fucksake! Not once did my teacher ever virtue signal, she gave us the facts about the time and various sources to back up those claims and THAT is how we learned that Nazis are bad. So yes, we read up on Nazis to learn that they’re shitty and violent.
We didn’t just read up on nazis. We read the original materials they produced, too. We read their books. We read what they thought and what their intentions were. You need to know what makes the bad guys bad so you can avoid becoming like them.
You need to understand what you are fighting for and what you are fighting against or you won’t fight for anything.
^^ Also
It actually is important to know *what* Nazis did. Otherwise, it’s too easy to be swayed by the idea that they simply hold a different point of view and just want “free speech” (which they don’t; Nazis burned books).
Some of us are old enough that we had relatives fight in WWII and tell us a bit about it. And we knew about their injuries from battle. And we had family members who didn’t come back. And we talked to their friends who had, for example, their POW number tattooed on their arm.
yo that’s important and all but @kiwipally is a TERF jsyk
Because that’s what’s important
Not what the nazis did or the importance of actually understanding understanding an ideology before you hate it
Women who don’t believe men are women are the issue
Just so you know telling people who they can and can’t reblog from according to your standards of acceptable feminism and sending asks to people who they reblog from people you disagree with is obsessive and controlling behaviour. It’s not normal behaviour and it is a warning sign of an abuser.
Radfems don’t tell people not to reblog from trans activists I don’t
care if any radfem reblogs a post made by a transactivist. Yet
transactivists and their supporters make it their life’s mission to
micromanage their followers to make sure they never reblog from a ‘terf‘
even if the post has nothing to do with trans issues.
I know many women are scared of the people who do this so they create
secret side blogs or only like radfem posts because they know that there
will be plenty of bloggers who want to harass them for reading anything
that questions transgenderism or anything to do with radical
feminism.
To ‘remind‘ people that the ‘op is a terf’ you would have to not only be keeping track of us you would have to be obsessively checking on who is reblogging from who. That is creepy. Why would you go to such lengths to try to basically exile radfems. Calm the fuck down and stop micro managing women’s speech and who they are reblog from. You are making a tense, uncomfortable and misogynist environment for female bloggers with the obsessive ‘op is a terf‘ and note checking. Stop being so controlling it’s weird.
The demand for purity creates a guilty milieu and a shaming milieu
by holding up standards of perfection that no human being can attain.
People are punished and learn to punish themselves for not living up to the
group’s ideals.
This just in: realizing a group of people are toxic and wanting to not associate with them/not wanting others to associate with them is now cult ideology.
and so is #2
We also say stuff like dont reblog from nazis, pedophiles, members of hate groups etc. So if you want people to stop saying that about you, stop being a raging bigot.
“Standards of perfection that no human being can attain”… oh my god
Anyone who doesn’t relentlessly post transmisogynist propaganda confirmed as perfect, godlike beings! Who knew it was that easy?
Op is a terf
As an abuse survivor, I find this incredibly insulting. Calling someone out for what they are, in your case a HATEFUL TERF, is not abusive in the slightest and the fact you’re using language meant for abuse victims is so unbelievably disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are not being abused for being called a TERF. Maybe if you lot weren’t so openly hateful and bigoted, you wouldn’t get as much shit. I for one am thankful for every person that identifies a TERF. I and plenty of other people on this website want as little association with people like you as possible. Op is a TERF and has no right to use language meant for abuse victims.
“As an abuse survivor, I find this incredibly insulting.”
As a childhood sexual abuse survivor I find being put in the same category as a pedophile or a nazi repulsive but you don’t care. As long as get to be self righteous prick and scream at women for disagreement.
“Calling someone out for what they are,”
Nobody is terf, dickhead.
You are just calling women misnomers.
“in your case a HATEFUL TERF,”
This is even more abuse.
You look deranged when you say that.
“is not abusive in the slightest and the fact”
It is abuse. We have plenty of receipts of abuse from scumbags like you.
Terfisaslur.com is only one archive we have documenting trans activist’s misogyny and abuse directed at ‘terfs’.
I can get more if you want more receipts.
“you’re using language meant for abuse victims is so unbelievably disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. ”
I should “be ashamed of myself” for using language meant for me???
Anyone can point out (actual) abuse. It isn’t limited to abuse victims.
“You are not being abused for being called a TERF.”
Yes we are. “Terf” dehumanises women and set them up as acceptable targets of vitriolic misogyny. You are contributing to misogyny directed at us.
You should be thankful. We are the ones who stand up to abusive men who co-opt our identity and remove women’s rights.
Ungrateful fuckwit
“Maybe if you lot weren’t so openly hateful and bigoted, you wouldn’t get as much shit.”
Translation: maybe if you bitches shut up and stopped telling the truth we wouldn’t be so viciously abusive not really tho
“I for one am thankful for every person that identifies a TERF.”
I misread this part. I thought they were saying that they were thankful ‘terfs’ we’re making it easier for them to identify but what they actually meant is sinister.
They are talking about ‘identifying’ us in a McCarthyist manner.
“I and plenty of other people on this website want as little association with people like you as possible.”
Because you hate women.
That is a popular position.
You are in company with MRAs.
“Op is a TERF”
You are proving my point.
“and has no right to use language meant for abuse victims.”
I am an abuse victim and you have shit for brains and no empathy.
Your tags: “op can kiss my WHOLE ass”
Lick my ENTIRE asshole
People can be and are TERFs, you are completely wrong. Need I remind you what a TERF is? A trans-exclusionary radical feminist. And you are claiming I am a woman hater yet hurling insults at me left and right in your argument. You have called me a dickhead, deranged, a scumbag, fuckwit, shit for brains. I also have been traumatized sexually, I have been a victim as well. Since I was 7 years old in fact. So believe me, I completely understand mistrusting men. But I do not hate them. And I don’t use my distrust of men to be bigoted against trans women and nonbinary people, like many TERFs do. I do not hate women whatsoever, I advocate for feminist ideals on the daily and call out my friends whenever they say or agree with something misogynistic. I hate MRAs, and have no tolerance for them. I have plenty of empathy, which is why I advocate for the rights of trans and nonbinary folks. I did not mean to imply you haven’t experienced abuse, admittedly I typed my response in a hurry. I meant to say that claiming abuse to justify transphobia and transmisogyny is not okay. And using rhetoric that is utilized when identifying abusers and abusive behavior is not okay when you are directing it at people who are simply calling you out for being a trans-exclusionary radical feminist. Calling all these people abusers isn’t going to absolve you of any wrongdoing. You have made so many assumptions about me, which I should have expected, you don’t know me. Also, this “ungrateful fuckwit” has plenty to be grateful towards. Kind and empathetic people who advocate for justice, truth, and equality. I am not grateful for hateful and gatekeeping radical feminists such as yourself. The fact you think I ought to be grateful to you shows that your commitment to feminism is self-serving. @celtyradfem feel free to reblog my comment again and insult me further. I’ll be collecting receipts as well 🙂
Use the enter key next time.
I will try respond to this wall of text tomorrow but I am tired.
I had to get out of bed and post this on my computer.
I can only tolerate self righteous squealing in small doses.
To summarise; you are wrong and “transmisogyny” is not a real word or concept. The word misogyny is the clue.
You have shit for brains and no empathy and your half assed excuses sucked.
“@celtyradfem feel free to reblog my comment again and insult me further.”
Will do
Go stick your tongue in an asshole
“I’ll be collecting receipts as well :)”
Thanks for the laugh 🙂
I look forward to screenshots of radfems calling trans males men and other truthbombs
agent-hyacinth said: “I’ll be waiting for that response @celtyradfem can’t wait to see whatever “truth bombs” you’ll have in store for me. And what is it with you and assholes? Why do you want my tongue in one so badly?”
I am busy so I will post receipts later
You are not going to be happy when you see them tho
Seeing as you have an ass kissing fetish I thought you would enjoy eating ass
I mean you are such an asshole so you would already be accustom to the rectum
To answer your last question, because that’s where it belongs
BTW: Your Tumblr communications need working on. Reblog. Don’t waste my time with unrebloggable responses
@agent-hyacinth said: “@celtyradfem I’m not reblogging bc I don’t want to spam my followers with discourse. You still haven’t addressed my points in that “wall of text” so I’ll assume you have nothing meaningful to say so yea bye. Have fun being a terf.”
Yet you will dump a self righteous screed in activity. We all know it is really because you suck at blogging
“You still haven’t addressed my points”
What points?
“wall of text”
You’re really gonna sit there and pretend that wasn’t a wall of text?
“so I’ll assume you have nothing meaningful to say”
You’re one to talk
Your ramblings had nothing of substance
As I said I’m busy. I have work to do and other shit for brains morons to prove wrong
Have fun being wrong
I am going to be busy so you’re going to have to wait. Tell your dumbass friend I’ll get around to them
Just so you know telling people who they can and can’t reblog from according to your standards of acceptable feminism and sending asks to people who they reblog from people you disagree with is obsessive and controlling behaviour. It’s not normal behaviour and it is a warning sign of an abuser.
Radfems don’t tell people not to reblog from trans activists I don’t
care if any radfem reblogs a post made by a transactivist. Yet
transactivists and their supporters make it their life’s mission to
micromanage their followers to make sure they never reblog from a ‘terf‘
even if the post has nothing to do with trans issues.
I know many women are scared of the people who do this so they create
secret side blogs or only like radfem posts because they know that there
will be plenty of bloggers who want to harass them for reading anything
that questions transgenderism or anything to do with radical
feminism.
To ‘remind‘ people that the ‘op is a terf’ you would have to not only be keeping track of us you would have to be obsessively checking on who is reblogging from who. That is creepy. Why would you go to such lengths to try to basically exile radfems. Calm the fuck down and stop micro managing women’s speech and who they are reblog from. You are making a tense, uncomfortable and misogynist environment for female bloggers with the obsessive ‘op is a terf‘ and note checking. Stop being so controlling it’s weird.
The demand for purity creates a guilty milieu and a shaming milieu
by holding up standards of perfection that no human being can attain.
People are punished and learn to punish themselves for not living up to the
group’s ideals.
This just in: realizing a group of people are toxic and wanting to not associate with them/not wanting others to associate with them is now cult ideology.
and so is #2
We also say stuff like dont reblog from nazis, pedophiles, members of hate groups etc. So if you want people to stop saying that about you, stop being a raging bigot.
“Standards of perfection that no human being can attain”… oh my god
Anyone who doesn’t relentlessly post transmisogynist propaganda confirmed as perfect, godlike beings! Who knew it was that easy?
Op is a terf
As an abuse survivor, I find this incredibly insulting. Calling someone out for what they are, in your case a HATEFUL TERF, is not abusive in the slightest and the fact you’re using language meant for abuse victims is so unbelievably disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are not being abused for being called a TERF. Maybe if you lot weren’t so openly hateful and bigoted, you wouldn’t get as much shit. I for one am thankful for every person that identifies a TERF. I and plenty of other people on this website want as little association with people like you as possible. Op is a TERF and has no right to use language meant for abuse victims.
“As an abuse survivor, I find this incredibly insulting.”
As a childhood sexual abuse survivor I find being put in the same category as a pedophile or a nazi repulsive but you don’t care. As long as get to be self righteous prick and scream at women for disagreement.
“Calling someone out for what they are,”
Nobody is terf, dickhead.
You are just calling women misnomers.
“in your case a HATEFUL TERF,”
This is even more abuse.
You look deranged when you say that.
“is not abusive in the slightest and the fact”
It is abuse. We have plenty of receipts of abuse from scumbags like you.
Terfisaslur.com is only one archive we have documenting trans activist’s misogyny and abuse directed at ‘terfs’.
I can get more if you want more receipts.
“you’re using language meant for abuse victims is so unbelievably disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. ”
I should “be ashamed of myself” for using language meant for me???
Anyone can point out (actual) abuse. It isn’t limited to abuse victims.
“You are not being abused for being called a TERF.”
Yes we are. “Terf” dehumanises women and set them up as acceptable targets of vitriolic misogyny. You are contributing to misogyny directed at us.
You should be thankful. We are the ones who stand up to abusive men who co-opt our identity and remove women’s rights.
Ungrateful fuckwit
“Maybe if you lot weren’t so openly hateful and bigoted, you wouldn’t get as much shit.”
Translation: maybe if you bitches shut up and stopped telling the truth we wouldn’t be so viciously abusive not really tho
“I for one am thankful for every person that identifies a TERF.”
I misread this part. I thought they were saying that they were thankful ‘terfs’ we’re making it easier for them to identify but what they actually meant is sinister.
They are talking about ‘identifying’ us in a McCarthyist manner.
“I and plenty of other people on this website want as little association with people like you as possible.”
Because you hate women.
That is a popular position.
You are in company with MRAs.
“Op is a TERF”
You are proving my point.
“and has no right to use language meant for abuse victims.”
I am an abuse victim and you have shit for brains and no empathy.
Your tags: “op can kiss my WHOLE ass”
Lick my ENTIRE asshole
People can be and are TERFs, you are completely wrong. Need I remind you what a TERF is? A trans-exclusionary radical feminist. And you are claiming I am a woman hater yet hurling insults at me left and right in your argument. You have called me a dickhead, deranged, a scumbag, fuckwit, shit for brains. I also have been traumatized sexually, I have been a victim as well. Since I was 7 years old in fact. So believe me, I completely understand mistrusting men. But I do not hate them. And I don’t use my distrust of men to be bigoted against trans women and nonbinary people, like many TERFs do. I do not hate women whatsoever, I advocate for feminist ideals on the daily and call out my friends whenever they say or agree with something misogynistic. I hate MRAs, and have no tolerance for them. I have plenty of empathy, which is why I advocate for the rights of trans and nonbinary folks. I did not mean to imply you haven’t experienced abuse, admittedly I typed my response in a hurry. I meant to say that claiming abuse to justify transphobia and transmisogyny is not okay. And using rhetoric that is utilized when identifying abusers and abusive behavior is not okay when you are directing it at people who are simply calling you out for being a trans-exclusionary radical feminist. Calling all these people abusers isn’t going to absolve you of any wrongdoing. You have made so many assumptions about me, which I should have expected, you don’t know me. Also, this “ungrateful fuckwit” has plenty to be grateful towards. Kind and empathetic people who advocate for justice, truth, and equality. I am not grateful for hateful and gatekeeping radical feminists such as yourself. The fact you think I ought to be grateful to you shows that your commitment to feminism is self-serving. @celtyradfem feel free to reblog my comment again and insult me further. I’ll be collecting receipts as well 🙂
Use the enter key next time.
I will try respond to this wall of text tomorrow but I am tired.
I had to get out of bed and post this on my computer.
I can only tolerate self righteous squealing in small doses.
To summarise; you are wrong and “transmisogyny” is not a real word or concept. The word misogyny is the clue.
You have shit for brains and no empathy and your half assed excuses sucked.
“@celtyradfem feel free to reblog my comment again and insult me further.”
Will do
Go stick your tongue in an asshole
“I’ll be collecting receipts as well :)”
Thanks for the laugh 🙂
I look forward to screenshots of radfems calling trans males men and other truthbombs
agent-hyacinth said: “I’ll be waiting for that response @celtyradfem can’t wait to see whatever “truth bombs” you’ll have in store for me. And what is it with you and assholes? Why do you want my tongue in one so badly?”
I am busy so I will post receipts later
You are not going to be happy when you see them tho
Seeing as you have an ass kissing fetish I thought you would enjoy eating ass
I mean you are such an asshole so you would already be accustom to the rectum
To answer your last question, because that’s where it belongs
BTW: Your Tumblr communications need working on. Reblog. Don’t waste my time with unrebloggable responses
@agent-hyacinth said: “@celtyradfem I’m not reblogging bc I don’t want to spam my followers with discourse. You still haven’t addressed my points in that “wall of text” so I’ll assume you have nothing meaningful to say so yea bye. Have fun being a terf.”
Yet you will dump a self righteous screed in activity. We all know it is really because you suck at blogging
“You still haven’t addressed my points”
What points?
“wall of text”
You’re really gonna sit there and pretend that wasn’t a wall of text?
“so I’ll assume you have nothing meaningful to say”
You’re one to talk
Your ramblings had nothing of substance
As I said I’m busy. I have work to do and other shit for brains morons to prove wrong
Have fun being wrong
I am going to be busy so you’re going to have to wait. Tell your dumbass friend I’ll get around to them
If you had five billion you could hop from job to job, calling entitled customers idiots all across your city, putting the fear of You into every shithead in town until people become afraid to be rude to servers and cashiers, lest you emerge from the back room like some kind of manners-enforcing specter
If you had five billion you could hop from job to job, calling entitled customers idiots all across your city, putting the fear of You into every shithead in town until people become afraid to be rude to servers and cashiers, lest you emerge from the back room like some kind of manners-enforcing specter
Celtyradfem 