Tag: abortion

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motherbychoice:

prolifegakusei:

motherbychoice:

prolifegakusei:

Or just don’t do the one thing that leads to creating another life. 

Or I can not have a surgery I don’t need, enjoy my very active and pleasurable sex life, and abort if I should get pregnant.

That’s my plan. 🙂

And why is that? There’s plenty of safer alternatives, including giving birth. If you don’t want a child you can easily get preventatives or just not have sex.

Giving birth is not safer than abortion.

I use birth control (but it’s failed me before).

And I don’t want to not have sex. I love sex. And I am going to have as much sex as possible as often as I want.

In short? Because I want to. 😉

Not only does every abortion kill an innocent human being in the womb; but abortion is also more dangerous to the mother than if she were to give birth to the child. The evidence overwhelmingly proves that the morbidity and mortality rates of legal abortion are several times higher than that for carrying a pregnancy to term.

A year 2000 government-funded study in Finland revealed that women who abort are four times more likely to die in the year following the abortion than women who carry their pregnancies to term. Women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who are not pregnant.

Researchers from the statistical analysis unit of Finland’s National Research and Development Center for Welfare and Health examined death certificate records for all women of reproductive age (fifteen to forty-nine) who died between 1987 and 1994, a total of 9,029 women. Then they examined the national health care database to identify pregnancy-related events for the women in the twelve months prior to their deaths.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271

And still. I’m going to have all the sex I want. Not go through the unnecessary trouble of begging doctor after doctor to perform an elective procedure that has risks itself and will cost thousands of dollars.

And if I want or need an abortion I’ll just have one. So simple.

Also, every abortion doesn’t kill. Sometimes the fetus is already dead 😉

If the fetus is already dead, as tragic as that is, there isn’t much that can be done. But my aunt’s organs where outside of her body before being born, but when she was born everything was fine except for her pinkie toes.

And that is relevant how? Your aunt’s situation has literally nothing to do with a person who needs an abortion due to a dead or dying fetus.

why do fucking pro lifers think it’s so easy to get one, if it was, i would had one done when i first got my period, but no, 19 now and still fighting to get it.

Difficulty =//= Worth.

I know it’s not as easy as walking into a clinic and getting a child ripped to shreds or acid sprayed up your vagina, but it saves lives. 

That isn’t how abortions are performed.

Whoever told you that is a liar.

But consider: I DONT WANT TO PUSH A BABY OUT MY VAGINA. AND I DONT WANT A C-SECTION.

radladiesunite:

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terfzilla:

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saulof-tarsus:

bizantia:

saulof-tarsus:

patron-saint-of-smart-asses:

prolifeproliberty:

If you have an abortion, the baby will come out of your vagina. The baby will be a lot smaller, so your cervix won’t need to stretch as far (although in surgical abortions they do dilate you). There will be blood and pain. There are physical and emotional risks.

Abortion doesn’t make the baby disappear. It pulls the baby out of you in pieces.

Seriously, an abortion is essentially a forced miscarriage (which is why the medical term for miscarriage is “spontaneous abortion”). Your uterus will have to expel not just a fetus, but also the tissue and blood and other fluids that were keeping it alive. THEN you (your organs such as your uterus and cervix) still have to heal from it: the closer you are to the due date at the time of the abortion, the more like postpartum the healing will be. And it takes weeks for a woman to fully recover from birth, miscarriage, or abortion.

Anon clearly has no idea what an abortion is, how it’s performed, or what it can do to the human body: both to the unborn human and to the human mother.

Because all of that can also happen with a miscarriage, and they also tell you not to get pregnant again, because the high levels of HGH could cause cancer.

Which is what happens when you have a bunch of abortions. You can get cancer, such as cervical or breast cancer.

That’s how Eva Peron died, she had so many abortions because she 1) wanted to stay an actress and 2) wanted to be certain Juan got elected president, that she just had a bunch of abortions, then died, because she got cervical cancer.

So THAT’S the link between abortions and cancer! I had no idea! I thought it was a myth or something pro-choicers said we said to vilify the pro-life movement.

Nope, having ONE miscarriage (if you are already prone to it via family history) can make you get cancer, because cervical cancer (if I am not mistaken) is only because of high levels of HGH (human growth hormone) outside of pregnancy, and breast cancer is caused from either complete high risk in your genes OR high levels of HGH. Which is why if your your sisters, mom, aunts, or grandmother have had breast cancer you should be tested to see if you also have the same gene that gave them breast cancer, otherwise it was from over producing HGH after a pregnancy (either if it was terminated or the baby was born). Your HGH levels rise with most types of cancer, as it can make the growth metastize anywhere in your body, but generally it will be either in the breasts or cervix, as that’s where a lot of it is produced (HGH is in the breast milk for babies).

1. That’s not how abortion works. Most abortions are not D&E’s. The procedure takes five to ten minutes, you are given pain medication, and medical staff stay with you during your recovery:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures/what-happens-during-an-in-clinic-abortion

2. The supposed connection between abortion and cancer has been debunked. Repeatedly.

Here’s a link:

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/medical-treatments/abortion-and-breast-cancer-risk.html

Agreed, and this explanation of how abortion supposedly increases the risk of cancer is complete nonsense. HGH, Human Growth Hormone, more commonly referred to as Growth Hormone (GH) is produced in the pituitary gland of every living human being. Like that’s literally what makes you grow. If you have high levels of growth hormone you might have gigantism (if this happens in childhood) or acromegaly (if it happens in adulthood). But you wouldn’t have cancer. The only connection between HGH and cancer is that it seems to be associated with certain types of cancer later in life among patients who have been treated with HGH for growth deficiencies as children.  

The only thing I can figure is that they somehow confused HGH with HCG, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, a hormone produced during pregnancy. And the only time HCG is associated with cancer is an extremely rare type called choriocarcinoma, which can happen after any pregnancy, regardless of outcome. 

It’s always fascinating and horrifying to see the granular details of what Republicans believe. As an elite coastal Jew I never get a full look inside the world of bible colleges and home schooling. What a rich and vibrant culture.

I loathe the pro lifer’s propaganda. They also never link sources (look the difference in terms of links on this thread) : it’s only their own conclusions that follow their own beliefs.

What the fuck, Eva Peron now? She died of uterine, not cervical, cancer. Hey, did you know that Peron’s first wife died of the same thing? You want to claim that she brought it on herself, too, by having “a bunch of abortions”? 

You’re just filled with intellectual honesty, aren’tcha, buddy. 

Lmao these people are totally uneducated

I have given birth to two children and had one abortion. They are COMPLETELY different. I recovered from my abortion in a few hours, recovering from vaginal deliveries took WEEKS, and I had a fairly problem free delivery both times.
We need to stop spreading disinformation.

isn’t it fucking scary and annoying that uneducated people like this are in charge of our healthcare, our laws, our bodies, our LIVES?

But consider: I DONT WANT TO PUSH A BABY OUT MY VAGINA. AND I DONT WANT A C-SECTION.

radladiesunite:

getoffmyastroterf:

terfzilla:

cumbler-tumbler:

feminismpassion:

brainstatic:

apparentlyeverything:

foxnewsfuckfest:

saulof-tarsus:

bizantia:

saulof-tarsus:

patron-saint-of-smart-asses:

prolifeproliberty:

If you have an abortion, the baby will come out of your vagina. The baby will be a lot smaller, so your cervix won’t need to stretch as far (although in surgical abortions they do dilate you). There will be blood and pain. There are physical and emotional risks.

Abortion doesn’t make the baby disappear. It pulls the baby out of you in pieces.

Seriously, an abortion is essentially a forced miscarriage (which is why the medical term for miscarriage is “spontaneous abortion”). Your uterus will have to expel not just a fetus, but also the tissue and blood and other fluids that were keeping it alive. THEN you (your organs such as your uterus and cervix) still have to heal from it: the closer you are to the due date at the time of the abortion, the more like postpartum the healing will be. And it takes weeks for a woman to fully recover from birth, miscarriage, or abortion.

Anon clearly has no idea what an abortion is, how it’s performed, or what it can do to the human body: both to the unborn human and to the human mother.

Because all of that can also happen with a miscarriage, and they also tell you not to get pregnant again, because the high levels of HGH could cause cancer.

Which is what happens when you have a bunch of abortions. You can get cancer, such as cervical or breast cancer.

That’s how Eva Peron died, she had so many abortions because she 1) wanted to stay an actress and 2) wanted to be certain Juan got elected president, that she just had a bunch of abortions, then died, because she got cervical cancer.

So THAT’S the link between abortions and cancer! I had no idea! I thought it was a myth or something pro-choicers said we said to vilify the pro-life movement.

Nope, having ONE miscarriage (if you are already prone to it via family history) can make you get cancer, because cervical cancer (if I am not mistaken) is only because of high levels of HGH (human growth hormone) outside of pregnancy, and breast cancer is caused from either complete high risk in your genes OR high levels of HGH. Which is why if your your sisters, mom, aunts, or grandmother have had breast cancer you should be tested to see if you also have the same gene that gave them breast cancer, otherwise it was from over producing HGH after a pregnancy (either if it was terminated or the baby was born). Your HGH levels rise with most types of cancer, as it can make the growth metastize anywhere in your body, but generally it will be either in the breasts or cervix, as that’s where a lot of it is produced (HGH is in the breast milk for babies).

1. That’s not how abortion works. Most abortions are not D&E’s. The procedure takes five to ten minutes, you are given pain medication, and medical staff stay with you during your recovery:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures/what-happens-during-an-in-clinic-abortion

2. The supposed connection between abortion and cancer has been debunked. Repeatedly.

Here’s a link:

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/medical-treatments/abortion-and-breast-cancer-risk.html

Agreed, and this explanation of how abortion supposedly increases the risk of cancer is complete nonsense. HGH, Human Growth Hormone, more commonly referred to as Growth Hormone (GH) is produced in the pituitary gland of every living human being. Like that’s literally what makes you grow. If you have high levels of growth hormone you might have gigantism (if this happens in childhood) or acromegaly (if it happens in adulthood). But you wouldn’t have cancer. The only connection between HGH and cancer is that it seems to be associated with certain types of cancer later in life among patients who have been treated with HGH for growth deficiencies as children.  

The only thing I can figure is that they somehow confused HGH with HCG, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, a hormone produced during pregnancy. And the only time HCG is associated with cancer is an extremely rare type called choriocarcinoma, which can happen after any pregnancy, regardless of outcome. 

It’s always fascinating and horrifying to see the granular details of what Republicans believe. As an elite coastal Jew I never get a full look inside the world of bible colleges and home schooling. What a rich and vibrant culture.

I loathe the pro lifer’s propaganda. They also never link sources (look the difference in terms of links on this thread) : it’s only their own conclusions that follow their own beliefs.

What the fuck, Eva Peron now? She died of uterine, not cervical, cancer. Hey, did you know that Peron’s first wife died of the same thing? You want to claim that she brought it on herself, too, by having “a bunch of abortions”? 

You’re just filled with intellectual honesty, aren’tcha, buddy. 

Lmao these people are totally uneducated

I have given birth to two children and had one abortion. They are COMPLETELY different. I recovered from my abortion in a few hours, recovering from vaginal deliveries took WEEKS, and I had a fairly problem free delivery both times.
We need to stop spreading disinformation.

isn’t it fucking scary and annoying that uneducated people like this are in charge of our healthcare, our laws, our bodies, our LIVES?

Hi, my names Gemma. I’ve been asked to perform a debate on pro-choice, debating against an anti-abortion activist, in front of my class who are conveniently catholic. I am wondering if you could give me some insight of your opinion on the topic, it would be helpful if you are or are not pro-choice. Thanks, Gemma.

actually-a-lesbian:

thesinisterspinster:

uppityfemale:

karadin:

uppityfemale:

Good for you for taking on this topic in a situation I’m sure is uncomfortable for you.

When making whatever argument you’re going to make consider your audience and their views. You have to tap into their objections and their concerns and try to change their minds from there. Also, just remember you won’t convince everyone, no matter what, so don’t feel discouraged by your efforts.

Catholics, and most people against abortion are against it because they feel it’s violating the sanctity of life.

God created a life and we have no right to take that away.

Most people though, don’t consider the life that’s carrying that child or the life of the family after the child is born.

Physical health concerns for the mother should be looked at. During and after birth. Also, the mental health of the mother. If she was trapped by someone, especially a family member, it could be traumatic for her to give birth, even if she gives it up for adoption.

If the mother is a girl, let’s say 12, who was raped by her uncle, is it right or just or respecting of life to put that child through the trauma of carrying to term and giving birth?

Also, in what I think is a moral and a legal issue, outlawing abortion is forcing the woman to use her body for the medical needs of another. We don’t allow this in any other situation.

Let’s say I’m a match to someone as a kidney donor. Even if it would save that person’s life no one can force me to give that kidney. Even if it was a small child no one could force me. Even if it was MY child no one could force me. No one can force me to sacrifice my body medically to save the life of any person.
So why then are pregnant women subject to a different standard?

I would also say, since your audience will be a religious one, that we should practice mercy in situations like abortion if we don’t agree with it.
If a woman becomes pregnant when she doesn’t want to be that’s hard. Especially in cases of rape. Many women will keep the baby for various reasons. But, the women who come to the decision to not keep the baby, I would argue, come to that decision carefully.
There’s so much thought, so much heartache, so much questioning, so much guilt that would go into that decision… Even if you know it’s the right one. A woman who goes through that journey and comes to that decision should be loved and supported by us who Jesus commanded to love everyone, no matter what. We should let God search that person’s heart and judge them based on what’s there… Not us judging a person from the outside on what’s best for their life.

Romans 14:1-13 says it best. But especially these verses…
14:10-14 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt?  For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this – not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. 14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Last, I’d also add if you don’t like abortion make sex ed classes that teach about birth control prominent in every school and make birth control itself readily available and affordable. Studies show this is the most effective way to lower teen birth rates and abortion rates (see studies specifically from Colorado).

Hopefully this helps some. You can also search my tumblr for “pro choice”, “pro-choice”, and “prochoice” to see more thoughts and ideas I have on this subject.

Thanks for thinking enough of me to ask my advice.

bring up all the ways we can prevent pregnancy, through education – which does not mean people will have more sex, but they will be informed – by women receiving more education in general – by free contraception – these have been proven to reduce rates of abortions – if that’s what the audience really wants, and not just control over women. 

Also note that many women are forced to have abortions because they cannot provide for these children, so raising the minimum wage and giving women equal pay and benefits and support will also reduce abortions – 

if that’s what the audience really wants, and not just control over women.

Abortion is not a moral issue on a grand scale, it’s a personal medical issue between a woman and her doctor. Decisions should be case by case and not en masse. 

Yes… I forgot the part about how we can make it easier for women to have children in less than ideal situations by doing morally just things like providing a living wage, adorable medical care, etc. And valuing lives that are already on this earth and not just getting ready to be born into it.

And dont forget to point out that the countries with the lowest rates of abortions are not the ones that make abortion illiegal. But the countries that have access to abortions, comprehesive sex education, and safety nets for people that need help. Also dont forget to mention that makeing abortion illegal doesnt stop the procedure it just makes it a whole hell of a lot more dangerous.

God had to breathe life into Adam, why doesn’t life begin at first breathe. Since Catholics will bring religion into it.

Hi, my names Gemma. I’ve been asked to perform a debate on pro-choice, debating against an anti-abortion activist, in front of my class who are conveniently catholic. I am wondering if you could give me some insight of your opinion on the topic, it would be helpful if you are or are not pro-choice. Thanks, Gemma.

actually-a-lesbian:

thesinisterspinster:

uppityfemale:

karadin:

uppityfemale:

Good for you for taking on this topic in a situation I’m sure is uncomfortable for you.

When making whatever argument you’re going to make consider your audience and their views. You have to tap into their objections and their concerns and try to change their minds from there. Also, just remember you won’t convince everyone, no matter what, so don’t feel discouraged by your efforts.

Catholics, and most people against abortion are against it because they feel it’s violating the sanctity of life.

God created a life and we have no right to take that away.

Most people though, don’t consider the life that’s carrying that child or the life of the family after the child is born.

Physical health concerns for the mother should be looked at. During and after birth. Also, the mental health of the mother. If she was trapped by someone, especially a family member, it could be traumatic for her to give birth, even if she gives it up for adoption.

If the mother is a girl, let’s say 12, who was raped by her uncle, is it right or just or respecting of life to put that child through the trauma of carrying to term and giving birth?

Also, in what I think is a moral and a legal issue, outlawing abortion is forcing the woman to use her body for the medical needs of another. We don’t allow this in any other situation.

Let’s say I’m a match to someone as a kidney donor. Even if it would save that person’s life no one can force me to give that kidney. Even if it was a small child no one could force me. Even if it was MY child no one could force me. No one can force me to sacrifice my body medically to save the life of any person.
So why then are pregnant women subject to a different standard?

I would also say, since your audience will be a religious one, that we should practice mercy in situations like abortion if we don’t agree with it.
If a woman becomes pregnant when she doesn’t want to be that’s hard. Especially in cases of rape. Many women will keep the baby for various reasons. But, the women who come to the decision to not keep the baby, I would argue, come to that decision carefully.
There’s so much thought, so much heartache, so much questioning, so much guilt that would go into that decision… Even if you know it’s the right one. A woman who goes through that journey and comes to that decision should be loved and supported by us who Jesus commanded to love everyone, no matter what. We should let God search that person’s heart and judge them based on what’s there… Not us judging a person from the outside on what’s best for their life.

Romans 14:1-13 says it best. But especially these verses…
14:10-14 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt?  For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this – not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. 14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Last, I’d also add if you don’t like abortion make sex ed classes that teach about birth control prominent in every school and make birth control itself readily available and affordable. Studies show this is the most effective way to lower teen birth rates and abortion rates (see studies specifically from Colorado).

Hopefully this helps some. You can also search my tumblr for “pro choice”, “pro-choice”, and “prochoice” to see more thoughts and ideas I have on this subject.

Thanks for thinking enough of me to ask my advice.

bring up all the ways we can prevent pregnancy, through education – which does not mean people will have more sex, but they will be informed – by women receiving more education in general – by free contraception – these have been proven to reduce rates of abortions – if that’s what the audience really wants, and not just control over women. 

Also note that many women are forced to have abortions because they cannot provide for these children, so raising the minimum wage and giving women equal pay and benefits and support will also reduce abortions – 

if that’s what the audience really wants, and not just control over women.

Abortion is not a moral issue on a grand scale, it’s a personal medical issue between a woman and her doctor. Decisions should be case by case and not en masse. 

Yes… I forgot the part about how we can make it easier for women to have children in less than ideal situations by doing morally just things like providing a living wage, adorable medical care, etc. And valuing lives that are already on this earth and not just getting ready to be born into it.

And dont forget to point out that the countries with the lowest rates of abortions are not the ones that make abortion illiegal. But the countries that have access to abortions, comprehesive sex education, and safety nets for people that need help. Also dont forget to mention that makeing abortion illegal doesnt stop the procedure it just makes it a whole hell of a lot more dangerous.

God had to breathe life into Adam, why doesn’t life begin at first breathe. Since Catholics will bring religion into it.

frafeeccino:

This is so so important

I so rarely see English (or British) feminists talk about the abortion issue in Northern Ireland and how it’s the only country in the U.K. where abortion is still banned, and where women have been arrested by the PSNI recently for purchasing abortion pills online.

Please please please make the Northern Irish abortion ban an electoral issue this general election.

ihoema:

14 years in prison. In Ireland you face 14 years in prison for having an abortion. Even in the case of rape. Incest. Foetal abnormalities to the point its not even viable outside the womb. Women like Savita Halappanavar have died in hospital beds from blood poisoning because doctors refused to remove the septic foetus because it still had a heartbeat. We’re expected, honestly expected to die a dignified christian death along with a foetus or face 14 years in prison. A reported 12 of us travel to England every DAY seeking safe abortion. So what of those who can’t travel, can’t afford to or are unable to sneak away? I’m in full support of whatever strikes happen across the country. Why did they even bother closing the Laundries if they’re still going to hold our bodies hostage.

pinyin:

celtyradfem:

ficklewitchsupporter:

wayward-uterus:

straightgirls:

jolakottinn:

cuddly-trash:

jehan-jones:

damn man what’s happening with my mutuals… first one was a terf… just found out one’s pro life… like that’s definitely not as bad as being a terf (obviously not) still goddamn i thought i was better at figuring people out than i am

not as bad huh

Wow being pro life is better than being a terf. Take note 😂

fucking disgusting

So far Nazis and forced birthers are worse than women who believe in sex based oppression and focus females in their feminism.

Trans activism does not support or respect “cis” women.

@jehan-jones women die when she they don’t have access to reproductive health care and abortion.

Why do you think the ideology behind women dying and being forced the have children is forgivable but women not believing in the gender identity religion is a cardinal sin?

“women die when she they don’t ”

Women die when they are refused abortion and reproductive care.

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Pro-Choice?

hellfalls:

deadcatwithaflamethrower:

amireal2u:

prochoice-or-gtfo:

geekandmisandry:

motherbychoice:

mistermistyeyed-gangster:

motherbychoice:

mistermistyeyed-gangster:

Being a biological male i don’t understand abortion. If you got raped yeah I understand but if you sit there and have sex and then get pregnant you deal with the consequences. I don’t understand why you’d want to kill something you made inside your body. Can someone who is pro choice explain this to me?

Abortion is a way to deal with the consequences.

I know, being someone who will never have to deal with pregnancy, it’s difficult to understand why someone might not want to spend nine months throwing up, getting kicked in the ribs and cervix, with an aching back, with round ligament pain, with sciatica, muscle cramps, swollen feet, headaches, insomnia, exhaustion, nausea, frequent urination, aching hips, all while risking future health and maybe even their life.

And I understand, as someone who will never have to experience it, how you might not understand why someone doesn’t want to endure hours of painful labor followed by having another human ripped or cut from your body.

And I know you can’t possibly understand why someone might not want to then spend 6-8 weeks bleeding profusely in huge chunks from their, possibly, torn vagina. Unable to sit properly. Or piss without it burning. Or even shit without bursting into tears. Or, you know, if they had to have their abdomen sliced open, they would have to deal with that. And you might have had abdominal surgery at some point. So maybe you could see why someone might not want to endure that.

And I mean, since you’ll never have to worry about losing your income due to pregnancy and then thousands of dollars worth of bills that start rolling in before you’re even back on your feet, I can see why that doesn’t seem like a big deal to you.

But why don’t we just trust people to make their own medical decisions. And if it’s something you’ll never have to worry about, that’s even MORE reason to just mind your own business.

I was just wondering please calm down

I’m perfectly calm. You were wondering. I told you. If you didn’t want to know, you probably shouldn’t have asked.

Man: asks for information

Woman: here is your information

Man: woah, omg, why are you so angry??

I guess any description of pregnancy and childbirth sounds angry when you have no idea what they actually entail.
-V

A few more things:

First, several people thought perhaps that answer was a tad over the top, I’d argue considering how little both men and women really understand about pregnancy before it happens (and sometimes during and after), how absolutely violent it can be to the woman, I think perhaps the tone that was taken drives home that point better than most.

Second, the original comment neglects REALLY digging into one major aspect:

MONEY.

Here are the things that eventually cost money, time and time and money.

1. Clothing, eventually many women have to create an entire mini wardrobe from socks to bra and back again, often two, as you spend some time one size and then some more time a totally different size. Even some multi sized pants, for instance, only start working at a certain size. In case you were curious, a woman’s bra, a good one that’s comfortable and doesn’t press into your VERY SENSITIVE BOOBS (it’s a thing that happens) can cost upwards of $40 easily.

AND THEN often, post partum there’s whole ‘NOTHER pile of clothes women need. B/c of size, b/c of breast feeding, b/c of permanently changed parts of the body. Many women end up having to buy all new shoes.

2. FOOD. First, your grocery habits change immensely. And at a certain point its calories over content to a certain extent. If you find yourself 8 months pregnant only able to stomach even LOOKING at 3 particular foods, trust me, those are the foods you eat. Not everyone is lucky enough for those foods to be economical as well.

3. MEDICAL.

A Pregnant woman easily has 4 – 6 doctor appointments, sometimes many more over the course of the nine months. With the way insurance works those could qualify as specialties and therefore cost more than your average copay. On top of that, I’m betting there’s procedure fees, wanna bet they charge separate for some ultra sounds? And then there’s the ‘voluntary’ stuff, if you have a family history of certain genetic issues, are you gonna spring for the amnio? That’s nto cheap either. On top of that prenatal vitamins are hella expensive and absolutely not covered on insurance. And then what if your pregnancy requires special monitoring or special treatments?

I haven’t even gone into the hospital stay to have the kid. Even if they kick you out under 24 hours later, that’s still a VERY large bill.

4. On top of all this, if you are a full or part time worker, you’ll end up taking time off, which is less money right there. At least you might have insurance then.

5. Here is where we split, if you are giving your baby up for adoption, which is an incredibly traumatic experience, even for people who genuinely don’t want a child, then yes, you don’t have to  uy all the items a new baby needs. If you are keeping the child, please insert anywhere from $500 – $2500 more dollars as prep work.

6. Recovery. Once you spit the kid out, you’re not done with doctors. As described above, there’s a lot of you physically that needs to recover. SO you have YET MORE DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS.

7. Your body is never the same. Look up the incidence of prolapse in older women who delivered vaginally. Yes, the body is amazing and for the most part goes back to normal (and that takes nearly a full year) but there are things that will never go back. Pregnancy is an incredibly dangerous and invasive and violent thing to happen to the human body and no one should be forced to go through with it if they don’t want to.

(In before “they should be more responsible”: You can do EVERYTHING RIGHT and still beat the odds. First you go and tell married couples they can never have sex if they don’t want kids and we’ll meet back here and you can tell me how that went before I go out and take that stance with everyone else.)

Edited to add: And in general, I took the best case scenarios and skipped things like diabetic issues and severe post partum issues.

Having experienced two pregnancies that did not go well for me physically (aside from healthy infants), YES, ALL OF THIS, THANK YOU.

I’ve had a daughter.. you know what.. instead of acting like it’s fucking torture, let’s put on our big girl panties and see how thankful you should fucking be. Everything is fucking expensive. You know what? It’s fucking worth every penny to have someone who loves you unconditionally. The description was total shit, and RUDE. I have a feeling that person was a twat feminist who thinks men should bow down right? Not have a say in the abortion? They deserve a say cause they helped make the miracle you’re so ungrateful about.

Painful? Sure. Guess what? It doesn’t matter once you’re holding that precious bundle who will grow to know you and care. I even know woman who were “rape babies”. That’s a human still. Very caring ones too. My “mom” was one of them. She stands up for rape victims and explains how she was born from it then suffered from it herself. It’s not the babies fault nor the person it’s done to. Don’t punish a life unless you’re sure it’s life threatening. We were made to reproduce.. not kill off.

A child of rape is not a miracle.

Women are not obliged to feel grateful for an unwanted pregnancy especially if the pregnancy was caused by rape.

Telling women they “need to put on their big girl panties“ and carry and unwanted or ambivalent pregnancy to term is manipulative and disgusting.

It is sick and twisted for you to say that.

“The description was total shit, and RUDE. I have a feeling that person
was a twat feminist who thinks men should bow down right?“

I have have the feeling, no, I know you believe women that men should have authority over us including our reproductive capabilities and see women not deferring to men as ‘oppressing’ or ‘subjugating’ them.

Don’t complain about rudeness when you say shit like “twat feminist”.

I could just as easily call you a brain dead baby snatcher….but that would be rude.

motherbychoice wrote a detailed response in a calm and rational manner explaining the pro choice position and pro lifers are acting like she told you to go get fucked or something.

“My “mom” was one of them. She stands up for rape victims and explains how she was born from it then suffered from it herself.”

If she says the things you do she isn’t standing up for rape victims.

“I have a feeling that person was a twat feminist who thinks men should bow down right?“

Men don’t have a say on abortion.

If she wants to discuss it with him she will.

It is her decision.

“They deserve a say cause they helped make the miracle you’re so ungrateful about.”

A man does not own the women he has impregnated.

“Painful? Sure. Guess what? It doesn’t matter once you’re holding that precious bundle who will grow to know you and care“

Did you think about what happens after that?

Cute babies!!!!! don’t make up for having to raise a child of rape they don’t stay children forever and they are eventually going to find out.

The impact that would have on the child is horrifying and you want to force this to happen.

“It’s not the babies fault nor the person it’s done to. Don’t punish a
life unless you’re sure it’s life threatening.”

Having an abortion isn’t ‘punishing‘ the fetus.

It is a woman deciding she doesn’t want to carry to term.

Women can have many reasons to decide to abort but no woman gets an abortion to punish the fetus.

“We were made to
reproduce.. not kill off.”

Women are not brood mares.

Just because you can reproduce doesn’t mean you have to.

Pregnancies are rejected in the womb all the time.

Not every fertilsed egg or fetus is supposed to end up born.