Socialization begins the day you’re born.
You cannot ever call a child trans. Ever. Children have a range of interests, and the boy child wearing fairy dresses and playing with dolls does NOT make him a girl child. This line of thinking boxes males and females, but I guess so does trans activism in it’s entirety.
I think it’s child abuse and v misogynistic to start calling your son your daughter because of their interests. A child does not have the mental capacity to understand trans theory. Obviously, if you did commit that child abuse on your son, then he probably wouldn’t be AS entitled as, say, recently transformed Jenner. But socialization is not just from your parents, it is in every waking minute of your life in society. Media. School. Family. Relationships. Government. Everything.
I don’t believe mental capacity is the issue with understanding queer theory, although your point stands. Anyone with any logic can see that queer theory is BS (and children have a small amount of logic when they’re young).
Children have a full understanding of gender, even fuller than an adults at times. “Girls do this, boys do this.” “Girls can’t do this, boys can’t do this.”
That is what gender is, and if it sounds like childish, made up rules, that’s because…. that is what gender amounts to.
But if you start to tell a child that they are trans, they will believe it. Why? Because adults are telling them that, and basing it off of things they know and that make sense (to children.)
A boy wants to wear a dress. A parent says, “Girls wear dresses, do you know what that means? You’re actually a girl.” And whether or not the parents are loving at this point or not, it doesn’t matter. The child believes it, and in this way, gender roles and stereotypes have been reinforced in his mind. He is a girl- what does that mean? He gets to wear the dress he wants, and all the other dresses, and makeup later, and pretty shoes, and everything he’s had his eye on because- and it should be obvious- being male has nothing to do with the objects we adorn ourselves with.
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lol being cis isnt a real thing? so being trans isnt real either?
@phantom-prince Yeah ‘cisgender’ is not real. The majority of people don’t naturally fit into the mold that is set out for them. The idea of ‘cisgender’ is an attempt to naturalise gender (roles) which is what men have been pushing on women through out the ages.
Saying that women are ‘cisgender’ strongly implies that women are naturally subservient, wear make up, dresses, are less competent than men etc. Feminism rejects this idea and the idea of ‘cisgender‘ is anti feminist.
Transgenderism/’Cisgender’ also reinforce the gender binary, that if you do or like xyz instead abc then you are the opposite sex. Transgenderism does not challenge gender roles, the gender binary or hierarchy because it presumes that gender (roles) are innate (female brain, ‘I feel like a woman’, etc)
Many other women reject ‘cisgender’ because it make assumptions about women and then labels us a silly term we did not agree to. Because a tiny minority want to enforce gender in a different way from the mainstream. This is not ok to do and the vast majority of women do not appreciate it.
Gender and sex dsyphoria are a real mental illness. However many people claim trans status without having either which clouds the issue. To be clear having gender or sex dsyphoria does not make you the opposite sex. You can’t change sex even after surgery and hormones.
Gender (social construct) is not an identity for people to claim it is how people are socialised and their status. Gender is how society is structured (men have higher status and women have lower status for bullshit reasons). Gender is useless and should be made redundant which will make transgenderism redundant.
you’re really fucking stupid lmao. you dont even know what cis/trans means ur literally pulling definitions out of your ass
Ok then you tell me what is mean seeing as you are so clever.
Does ‘cisgender’ mean ‘not trans‘? if so why does there to be a word for this? Why should 99% of the population be referred to as ‘cis‘ and seeing as transpeople are less than 1% of the population.
The etmological root of ‘cis‘ means on the same side so that means on the same side of gender. But there are already terms for this gender conforming and gender non conforming and they make more sense than ‘cisgender‘.
oh do you DO know the definition! congrats! “uwu its only 1% of the population”. You know what else is 1% of the population? Redheads. Also, all of Australia.
Yeah I know I have heard the arguments for ‘cisgender’ and the definition does not make sense when examined.
My original response talked about how the concept of ‘cisgender‘ was sexist and naturalised gender roles (reinforcing gender roles and the patriarchy). Do you have anything to say about that or are you just going to say ‘ur stupid’ and claim I don’t know things I clearly know about?
Also I don’t take anybody who uses ‘uwu’ seriously.
I am Australian and the rest of the world still knows more about Australia than people who recognise ‘cisgender‘ as a real concept. Unlike ‘cisgender’ you can coherently define Australia, Australians and Redheads.
Within Australia transpeople are less than 1% and ‘cisgender’ is not apart of our daily terminology there is not ‘cisgender’ on the census. So within the Australian population the term ‘cisgender‘ is not useful. Also the term ‘cisgender‘ originated from America and I don’t appreciate stupid Americanisms being pushed onto the rest of the world.
Christ you obviously cant take sarcasm but okay. Also, u cant use the arguement of ‘i’ve never heard of it so it isnt real’
Was that sarcasm? You aren’t very good at it.
I have heard of ‘cisgender’ (trans ideology has pushed itself into feminism) and it doesn’t make sense. Are you going to address the points in my first response?
The general population does not recognise ‘cisgender‘ as legitimate and they sure as hell don’t identify as ‘cisgender‘. The general population do not divide people into ‘cis’ and trans they divide people into women/female and men/male so ‘cisgender is not relevant to the vast majority of the population’.
If cisgender means “agrees with assigned gender role”, then next to no one is truly cisgender. The world isn’t made of GI Joes and Barbies.
How did dressing your baby become a political act?
“Dressing your baby is, of course, a political act. The clothes you choose will affect how your baby is received by the world. Your baby cannot object; he or she can’t even sit up, let alone negotiate press studs. So it is up to you to manage the impression he or she will make.
Say your infant is throwing a ferocious tantrum (probably something to do with the existential angst that comes with leaving the sacred womb). Dress your baby in pink and people will see a temperamental prima donna. Dress him or her in blue and they will see a boisterous little chap with a fine set of lungs. Dress your baby in beige or yellow and they’ll ask “is it a boy or a girl?” before making up their minds.”
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“It is a measure of just how far we have gone down the “gender everything” road that it is more acceptable to dress a baby boy as a tiger or an octopus or a Christmas pudding than in anything with a hint of pink. You know where you are with a baby disguised as a bottle of Heinz tomato ketchup, but a boy who’s wearing things that are explicitly marked out as “for girls”? How is one supposed to respond to that? I think our confusion says a lot about how scared we are of letting go of underlying beliefs in essential difference. However much we tinker round the edges, we must always have this article of faith to fall back on. That’s no doubt one of the reasons why our newborns look upon us with such disdain. They were not born believing such things, but just like us, they cannot find the words to express it.”
youre cis how aqre you going to tell a trans person what is or is not transphobic. you dont get a say in this u just need to understand that trans people are the gender that they identify as because thaats how they identify. your arguments are so transphobic lol…
@tsukane I’m not ‘cis’ nobody is. Cisgender is not a real concept and it’s implications are very sexist.
‘Cis‘ means on the same side so ‘cisgender’ means on the same side of gender roles. There is already a term that basically means that gender conforming. However transpeople claim that ‘cisgender’ means people who are comfortable with the gender roles for their sex but many women are not comfortable with gender roles. Gender roles cause women a lot of problems in fact it is very restrictive for women (adult human females).
Gender (roles) are used to justify women’s lower societal status and women feel restricted and uncomfortable with gender (roles). So calling women ‘cis’ is implying that women are comfortable with gender (roles) and/or they are innate, neither positions are woman-friendly. Feminism is against gender for these reasons (there is more to it but that is the general idea).
You can’t identify as a gender because gender is not something you opt in or our of. Gender is a social construct that is placed on people according to their sex. People are socialised into gender (roles) and this socialisation matters. How you were socialised does influence people’s personalities and identities.
You are so full of shit and make no sense I can’t read this
Cis people are not trans Ur Cis
No one is ‘cis‘ and I didn’t say non-trans people are trans you did not read what I wrote correctly. You also have no idea about the basics of feminism.
I mistyped I meant trans people are not Cis™
Also Ur a Trans Exclusif Radical Feminism so you don’t know the basics of feminism sweaty
Feminism is female centric and critical of gender which extends to being critical of transgenderism. Feminism is inherently critical of gender if it isn’t then it isn’t ideologically feminism. Women are not obliged to includes males in our activism.
Besides what I am saying are basic feminist positions. Gender is socially constructed and hierarchal in nature. Biological sex is innate and can not be changed or identified out of. Women are discriminated against on the basis of sex and gender is the way women are marginalised and oppressed.
why do you hate trans people so much? why do you insist that trans men are girls uncomfortable with gender roles? when they are boys and men?
why are you so transphobicThey aren’t men or boys because they are female. How is saying they are girls who are uncomfortable with gender roles and their bodies hateful? Don’t you think it is silly to claim that is ‘hate’?
im a trans boy
i am not a girl i am not a girl
this is transphobic, you are a transphobe,
trans boys and men are not girls, we are boys and menThis doesn’t make sense. Women and girls are female and men and boys are male. How are transmen/boys actually boys men/boys?
How is saying that trans men/boys are female people who are uncomfortable with their bodies and/or gender roles hateful?
trans boys and men are also male, despite what was assigned to them at birth
trans girls and women are female, despite the gender assigned at birth
we are actually boys because we are
go fuck yourself you transphobe, just stop
No they aren’t male they are female the doctors did not mis-identify trans men/boys biological sex (and we are not talking about rare cases of intersex people). Biological sex is female and male and it is innate. Gender is gender roles and the doctor did not assign them society did.
Trans men/boys are female if the were male they would be ‘cis‘ men and would not feel the need for transition.
“we are actually boys because we are” in what way are trans men/boys male and/or men/boys? please explain how this works.
Why is saying trans men/boys are women/girls/female people who are uncomfortable with their bodies and with gender roles that they feel the need to alter their bodies so bad?
“Why is saying trans men/boys are women/girls/female people who are uncomfortable with their bodies and with gender roles that they feel the need to alter their bodies so bad?”
Because we are not women or girls or females
I’m a trans boy and I’m very feminine does this make me a girl? It’s not gender roles that make us uncomfortable
It’s being called a woman or a girl when we are men or boys.
Imagine that you are a man. And every day of your life people assumed you were a girl. And you would tell them that you aren’t, but they insist that they know better. You are a girl. They don’t listen at all. It’s frustrating
It’s hateful to call trans men and boys female because it can trigger dysphoria. It is misgendering. It is an act of transphobia
“Because we are not women or girls or female“
Trans men/boys are female and that wasn’t are straight answer. How are trans boys/men male and/or men/boys. Sex is innate and can not be changed. You are the sex you are born as so how are transmen/boys male? If they were already male then they would be ‘cis‘ men/boys.
Why do you find this frustrating?
“It’s not gender roles that make us uncomfortable” then what is the issue?
It isn’t misgendering because female is biological sex. Why is calling you female or a girl hateful. Is there anything wrong with being a girl/female?
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Biological sex= female and male
Gender= gender roles which are the societal expectations and status of women (female) and men (male).
See the world health organistion’s definition of gender and sex if you don’t believe me.
gender is not an aesthetic or an abstract concept or a set of cool meaningless post-modern labels, it is the hierarchy through which sex-based oppression is enforced and legitimized.
if anyone’s interested: the study my professor did was basically with children who were 2-3 years old. they laid out toys for them to play with that were commonly associated with one gender or the other (action figures vs. dolls, a pink and therefore…
“Gender”:
The oppression of women is called misogyny, the source of that oppression is called patriarchy, the method of the oppression is called gender.
Gender is not a personal feeling or an identity. It is not something inside of you because it never came from inside of you. It is not something you can do some soul searching and discover about yourself. There is no part of your personality that is specifically gendered, all personality types can belong to anyone of any sex. To believe otherwise is misogynistic.
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