The idea that het couples watching porn together is a “fun’n’sexy” bonding activity which demarcates the woman as a body-confident and self-assured ‘cool girlfriend,’ is so revolting.
It paints women who are uncomfortable with porn as insecure, jealous harridans in order to shame them into accepting it, and it positions them to participate in the consumption of material which exploits and devalues women, to internalise that as part of their own understanding of women’s sexuality.
This is a manipulation tactic. Women absolutely do not need to be comfortable with a genre of media that specifically exists to rape, abuse, and degrade us for male pleasure. Being able to sit there and stomach porn or being brainwashed enough to “enjoy” it are not healthy and shouldn’t be encouraged. You are not “cool” for putting up with misogyny and accommodating male entitlement.
Right.. So now, all the women who used porn to explore sexuality and masturbate when growing up are not “cool” and were clearly brainwashed.. Because there’s no way a woman could organically enjoy watching porn.
“used porn to explore sexuality growing up”
Is that what you call exploring ? Or is that brainwashing ?
It’s from Pornhub’s homepage by the way. I didn’t type in any word, made any research, click on any category, it’s just the “
Recently Featured Porn Videos
“.
Porn is not for women.
Porn hates women.
Why do people need to get this through their thick heads?
This reminds me of all the idiots on my porn consumers are losers post kept asking what about women who watch porn and got so upset when I told that women don’t really watch porn and the minority of women who watch porn are being coerced by their boyfriends and/or social group and/or are self hating.
So much impotent rage because I said that women don’t enjoy this shit.
Stop talking for all women, PLEASE.
I fucking love porn. It made me way more secure in what I’m doing and helped me pleasuring myself and my man. I watched porn when I didn’t even understand why it turned me on but I kept watching it and I fucking love it. I love soft lesbian porn. I love discussing favorite porn movies with my man and lesbian friends. I love learning new stuff from porn that I can actually use in my sex life. Porn fucking empowered me.
Porn is great for some of us, you know? And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and self-thinking women.
Her description: Celly/German/ I happily and with all my heart defend ddlg and BDSM in general /anti-feminist/ happily taken/ bi/18]
Hey radfems which part of her response was the worst?
Porn fucking empowered me.
No it didn’t. It made you easier to manipulate and less secure.
And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try
to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and
self-thinking women.
Is this before or after you pretend to be a little girl for your boyfriend?
I’m not even a Little but hey think what you want 😂
And girl, I know my bio is amazing and congrats, you can copy and paste!
You’re paranoid, my dear.
You: “You’re paranoid, my dear.“
Also You: “I happily and with all my heart defend ddlg and BDSM in general”
You again: I’m not even a Little but hey think what you want
Something is not adding up.
Just because I defend something doesn’t mean I’m into it, y’know.
So you “happily and with all my heart defend ddlg and BDSM in general “ as a hobby but have no interest or investment in it?
The idea that het couples watching porn together is a “fun’n’sexy” bonding activity which demarcates the woman as a body-confident and self-assured ‘cool girlfriend,’ is so revolting.
It paints women who are uncomfortable with porn as insecure, jealous harridans in order to shame them into accepting it, and it positions them to participate in the consumption of material which exploits and devalues women, to internalise that as part of their own understanding of women’s sexuality.
This is a manipulation tactic. Women absolutely do not need to be comfortable with a genre of media that specifically exists to rape, abuse, and degrade us for male pleasure. Being able to sit there and stomach porn or being brainwashed enough to “enjoy” it are not healthy and shouldn’t be encouraged. You are not “cool” for putting up with misogyny and accommodating male entitlement.
Right.. So now, all the women who used porn to explore sexuality and masturbate when growing up are not “cool” and were clearly brainwashed.. Because there’s no way a woman could organically enjoy watching porn.
“used porn to explore sexuality growing up”
Is that what you call exploring ? Or is that brainwashing ?
It’s from Pornhub’s homepage by the way. I didn’t type in any word, made any research, click on any category, it’s just the “
Recently Featured Porn Videos
“.
Porn is not for women.
Porn hates women.
Why do people need to get this through their thick heads?
This reminds me of all the idiots on my porn consumers are losers post kept asking what about women who watch porn and got so upset when I told that women don’t really watch porn and the minority of women who watch porn are being coerced by their boyfriends and/or social group and/or are self hating.
So much impotent rage because I said that women don’t enjoy this shit.
This must be time for the classic corollary: “You don’t speak for ALL x group” is implicitly followed by “I, however, do.”
I’m not even touching the “X is always true, cases where X is false don’t count and are not real” shit, you’re already aware why that’s fallacious.
Also, holy shit, you fucking idiot, 3000 is definitely not too small a sample size. Do you even understand how statistics work?
I’m the official ambassador for women here to tell you that one survey with 3000 women who are which will have self selection bias by the survey conductor is not an accurate reflection of the general female population.
I understand how statistics work and that survey is not good enough enough to draw conclusions and apply it to the general female population of America. Earlier on one pro porn idiot who tried to prove to me most women in America aren’t feminist and therefore don’t agree with me by citing a Huffington Post online survey with a sample size of 1000 people. Not good enough.
Women as a whole don’t like porn (a general statement which is true) but we have it forced on us and we aren’t given much of an opportunity to voice our anti porn opinions without being bullied. The women jumping up and down on this post getting pissy have clearly been influenced by porn culture and let’s be honest here they want to impress their peer groups especially the male half.
I’m not even touching the “X is always true, cases where X is false
don’t count and are not real” shit, you’re already aware why that’s
fallacious.
I never say they weren’t real, I said they have internalised misogyny and the that it isn’t truly of their own volition given the pressure women are put under to accept porn and go along with it and the pornified culture we live in which normalises porn.
I demonstrated to them the harms of porn consumption (in fact I had to reiterate it to them because they didn’t comprehend the sources I gave them). I’ve done the work.
The idea that het couples watching porn together is a “fun’n’sexy” bonding activity which demarcates the woman as a body-confident and self-assured ‘cool girlfriend,’ is so revolting.
It paints women who are uncomfortable with porn as insecure, jealous harridans in order to shame them into accepting it, and it positions them to participate in the consumption of material which exploits and devalues women, to internalise that as part of their own understanding of women’s sexuality.
This is a manipulation tactic. Women absolutely do not need to be comfortable with a genre of media that specifically exists to rape, abuse, and degrade us for male pleasure. Being able to sit there and stomach porn or being brainwashed enough to “enjoy” it are not healthy and shouldn’t be encouraged. You are not “cool” for putting up with misogyny and accommodating male entitlement.
Right.. So now, all the women who used porn to explore sexuality and masturbate when growing up are not “cool” and were clearly brainwashed.. Because there’s no way a woman could organically enjoy watching porn.
“used porn to explore sexuality growing up”
Is that what you call exploring ? Or is that brainwashing ?
It’s from Pornhub’s homepage by the way. I didn’t type in any word, made any research, click on any category, it’s just the “
Recently Featured Porn Videos
“.
Porn is not for women.
Porn hates women.
Why do people need to get this through their thick heads?
This reminds me of all the idiots on my porn consumers are losers post kept asking what about women who watch porn and got so upset when I told that women don’t really watch porn and the minority of women who watch porn are being coerced by their boyfriends and/or social group and/or are self hating.
So much impotent rage because I said that women don’t enjoy this shit.
Stop talking for all women, PLEASE.
I fucking love porn. It made me way more secure in what I’m doing and helped me pleasuring myself and my man. I watched porn when I didn’t even understand why it turned me on but I kept watching it and I fucking love it. I love soft lesbian porn. I love discussing favorite porn movies with my man and lesbian friends. I love learning new stuff from porn that I can actually use in my sex life. Porn fucking empowered me.
Porn is great for some of us, you know? And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and self-thinking women.
Stop trying to talk for all women. You will never represent all women. You don’t speak for me, you don’t speak for anyone but yourself. Stop trying to use us as the bludgeon of your arguments. I don’t want you, @truthinyourleyes doesn’t want you, stop. We don’t care for your paranoid drivel. Take it somewhere else.
I will continue to speak about women’s issues and use class analysis and represent women.
Stop trying to use us as the bludgeon of your arguments
Are you kidding me? I’m using the arguments against you.
Women don’t want porn. In fact many women are calling the police because their male partners attack or threaten them if they don’t act out their fucked up porn fueled obsessions for them and the experts agree that porn is major contributing factor in violence against women.
These women matter more than you.
“We don’t care for your paranoid drivel. Take it somewhere else.”
I can get more later if you want to be honest about this topic.
Say what you like, but you don’t represent women. You were not elected. There wasn’t a fucking vote, & if there was you’d lose by a landslide. In fact, you don’t even represent the majority of women. Most women watch porn, with the vast majority of those watching it alone & without male “coercion.” The only voice you represent is your own. Women as a whole do not nor ever will swallow the crap you peddle. You speak for no one.
I’m talking about women as a whole. You are basing your arguments on the good of women, yet most women demonstrably do not hold your beliefs. Your argument does not hold water when you literally have women calling out your bullshit, & you have to resort to belittling tactics like asserting “internalized misogyny,” as if everyone who ever disagreed with you is simply incapable of forming independent opinions.
Why are you here?
Because you are trying to talk for a group that didn’t ask you to and demonstrably doesn’t want you to. And that is an outright lie. The majority of women do want porn. You are talking out your ass. Simply because there are a few instances of women being forced into porn doesn’t mean the majority doesn’t willingly partake of it.
Yes, & no. The majority matters more even than me or you, & the majority is just fine with porn.
This is the Internet. You have no territory. And by “honest,” I take it you mean “conforming to me own ideals”? Since obviously no one could disagree with you without lying to themselves.
If you don’t like porn then don’t watch it. If you feel you absolutely must disparage it then go right ahead. Just don’t try to act as Women’s Liaison to the world because you aren’t and never will be.
Say
what you like,
Will do.
but you don’t represent women.
I represent lots of women when I raise awareness about our issues and our current situation so yes I do represent women. Seeing as what I talk about affects women in general. I am going to be speaking about you indirectly at times.
You were not elected.
There wasn’t a fucking vote, & if there was you’d lose by a
landslide.
I was elected because a strange woman in a lake threw a sword at me.
“At least, that is the conclusion from a new study by Marie Claire, which
surveyed more than 3000 women about their relationship with porn. “– Source
That
is too small a sample size and was conducted by a biased source. Maire Claire is trendy bullshit magazine
which pushes sex positive/pro sex industry garbage politics so it was
not going to have a varied population. This little survey isn’t enough to prove that the majority of women watch porn.
When I look to the right of the article I see this headline:
The only voice you represent is your own. Women as a whole do not nor
ever will swallow the crap you peddle. You speak for no one.
I speak for women’s rights and women’s best interests and part of being a feminist is advocating for women. Think about it this way there are pro-life women but feminists not going to stop advocating for women’s reproductive rights.
Online polls from 3 years ago with about 1000 participants are not the best way to gauge how many women are feminists. I found out the sample size by clicking a link on that article.
Why was that so hard for you verify?
Seeing the nature of online polls not everyone clicking could have been a woman and people could take the poll more than once skewing the statistics. Online polls are a flawed way to gather public opinion.
If this was an survey using the same 1000 person sample size about women
reporting if they’ve been raped of sexually assaulted would you accept
that as evidence or apply it to the general female population?
Your argument does not hold water when you literally have women calling
out your bullshit, & you have to resort to belittling tactics like
asserting “internalized misogyny,”
Because they do have internalised misogyny. It is pretty obvious.
as if everyone who ever disagreed
with you is simply incapable of forming independent opinions.
They learn their opinions from their pro porn peer groups and the hypersexualised society at large. They are not above being influenced and having the opinions being shaped by sexism and misogyny.
Because you are trying to talk for a group that didn’t ask you to and demonstrably doesn’t want you to. And that is an outright lie.
But wait a minute aren’t anti feminist women presuming that they count as women in general?
Conservative women’s groups presume to speak for women and take actions that influence the policies that affect women and they have a lot of funding and disproportionate power but I don’t see you banging on their doors.
The majority of women do
want porn. You are talking out your ass.
I’ve already debunked this (see above). Stop pulling online polls out of your ass.
Simply because there are a few
instances of women being forced into porn doesn’t mean the majority
doesn’t willingly partake of it.
A few? I have a long list of ex female performers speaking out.
Haven’t you noticed how the successful female porn performers have spoken out about it the porn industry?
Pamela Anderson recently wrote and anti porn op-ed which has faced backlash by the pro porn crowd.
Yes, & no. The majority matters more even than me or you, & the majority is just fine with porn.
No, women who have been abused by their porn watching partners matter more when talking about the validity of porn and many women do have a problem with porn it is just that porn is so normalised and they are pressured to go along with it.
This is the Internet. You have no territory.
You’re on our posts. You’re on our territory.
And by “honest,” I take
it you mean “conforming to me own ideals”? Since obviously no one could
disagree with you without lying to themselves.
I meant a serious debate or discussion where you don’t freak the fuck out and don’t use online surveys as ‘proof’ because that is a very low standard of evidence. If you want to be civil and intellectually honest I could have a debate.
If you don’t like porn then don’t watch it. If you feel you
absolutely must disparage it then go right ahead.
I don’t need your permission.
Just don’t try to act
as Women’s Liaison to the world because you aren’t and never will be.
I already am a women’s liaison. I have had so many women thank me personally for speaking my mind, presenting the facts and making a strong anti porn case. I talk to women privately about feminism offer some support when I can.
The idea that het couples watching porn together is a “fun’n’sexy” bonding activity which demarcates the woman as a body-confident and self-assured ‘cool girlfriend,’ is so revolting.
It paints women who are uncomfortable with porn as insecure, jealous harridans in order to shame them into accepting it, and it positions them to participate in the consumption of material which exploits and devalues women, to internalise that as part of their own understanding of women’s sexuality.
This is a manipulation tactic. Women absolutely do not need to be comfortable with a genre of media that specifically exists to rape, abuse, and degrade us for male pleasure. Being able to sit there and stomach porn or being brainwashed enough to “enjoy” it are not healthy and shouldn’t be encouraged. You are not “cool” for putting up with misogyny and accommodating male entitlement.
Right.. So now, all the women who used porn to explore sexuality and masturbate when growing up are not “cool” and were clearly brainwashed.. Because there’s no way a woman could organically enjoy watching porn.
“used porn to explore sexuality growing up”
Is that what you call exploring ? Or is that brainwashing ?
It’s from Pornhub’s homepage by the way. I didn’t type in any word, made any research, click on any category, it’s just the “
Recently Featured Porn Videos
“.
Porn is not for women.
Porn hates women.
Why do people need to get this through their thick heads?
This reminds me of all the idiots on my porn consumers are losers post kept asking what about women who watch porn and got so upset when I told that women don’t really watch porn and the minority of women who watch porn are being coerced by their boyfriends and/or social group and/or are self hating.
So much impotent rage because I said that women don’t enjoy this shit.
Stop talking for all women, PLEASE.
I fucking love porn. It made me way more secure in what I’m doing and helped me pleasuring myself and my man. I watched porn when I didn’t even understand why it turned me on but I kept watching it and I fucking love it. I love soft lesbian porn. I love discussing favorite porn movies with my man and lesbian friends. I love learning new stuff from porn that I can actually use in my sex life. Porn fucking empowered me.
Porn is great for some of us, you know? And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and self-thinking women.
Stop trying to talk for all women. You will never represent all women. You don’t speak for me, you don’t speak for anyone but yourself. Stop trying to use us as the bludgeon of your arguments. I don’t want you, @truthinyourleyes doesn’t want you, stop. We don’t care for your paranoid drivel. Take it somewhere else.
I will continue to speak about women’s issues and use class analysis and represent women.
Stop trying to use us as the bludgeon of your arguments
Are you kidding me? I’m using the arguments against you.
Women don’t want porn. In fact many women are calling the police because their male partners attack or threaten them if they don’t act out their fucked up porn fueled obsessions for them and the experts agree that porn is major contributing factor in violence against women.
These women matter more than you.
“We don’t care for your paranoid drivel. Take it somewhere else.”
The idea that het couples watching porn together is a “fun’n’sexy” bonding activity which demarcates the woman as a body-confident and self-assured ‘cool girlfriend,’ is so revolting.
It paints women who are uncomfortable with porn as insecure, jealous harridans in order to shame them into accepting it, and it positions them to participate in the consumption of material which exploits and devalues women, to internalise that as part of their own understanding of women’s sexuality.
This is a manipulation tactic. Women absolutely do not need to be comfortable with a genre of media that specifically exists to rape, abuse, and degrade us for male pleasure. Being able to sit there and stomach porn or being brainwashed enough to “enjoy” it are not healthy and shouldn’t be encouraged. You are not “cool” for putting up with misogyny and accommodating male entitlement.
Right.. So now, all the women who used porn to explore sexuality and masturbate when growing up are not “cool” and were clearly brainwashed.. Because there’s no way a woman could organically enjoy watching porn.
“used porn to explore sexuality growing up”
Is that what you call exploring ? Or is that brainwashing ?
It’s from Pornhub’s homepage by the way. I didn’t type in any word, made any research, click on any category, it’s just the “
Recently Featured Porn Videos
“.
Porn is not for women.
Porn hates women.
Why do people need to get this through their thick heads?
This reminds me of all the idiots on my porn consumers are losers post kept asking what about women who watch porn and got so upset when I told that women don’t really watch porn and the minority of women who watch porn are being coerced by their boyfriends and/or social group and/or are self hating.
So much impotent rage because I said that women don’t enjoy this shit.
Stop talking for all women, PLEASE.
I fucking love porn. It made me way more secure in what I’m doing and helped me pleasuring myself and my man. I watched porn when I didn’t even understand why it turned me on but I kept watching it and I fucking love it. I love soft lesbian porn. I love discussing favorite porn movies with my man and lesbian friends. I love learning new stuff from porn that I can actually use in my sex life. Porn fucking empowered me.
Porn is great for some of us, you know? And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and self-thinking women.
Her description: Celly/German/ I happily and with all my heart defend ddlg and BDSM in general /anti-feminist/ happily taken/ bi/18]
Hey radfems which part of her response was the worst?
Porn fucking empowered me.
No it didn’t. It made you easier to manipulate and less secure.
And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try
to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and
self-thinking women.
Is this before or after you pretend to be a little girl for your boyfriend?
I’m not even a Little but hey think what you want 😂
And girl, I know my bio is amazing and congrats, you can copy and paste!
You’re paranoid, my dear.
You: “You’re paranoid, my dear.“
Also You: “I happily and with all my heart defend ddlg and BDSM in general”
You again: I’m not even a Little but hey think what you want
The idea that het couples watching porn together is a “fun’n’sexy” bonding activity which demarcates the woman as a body-confident and self-assured ‘cool girlfriend,’ is so revolting.
It paints women who are uncomfortable with porn as insecure, jealous harridans in order to shame them into accepting it, and it positions them to participate in the consumption of material which exploits and devalues women, to internalise that as part of their own understanding of women’s sexuality.
This is a manipulation tactic. Women absolutely do not need to be comfortable with a genre of media that specifically exists to rape, abuse, and degrade us for male pleasure. Being able to sit there and stomach porn or being brainwashed enough to “enjoy” it are not healthy and shouldn’t be encouraged. You are not “cool” for putting up with misogyny and accommodating male entitlement.
Right.. So now, all the women who used porn to explore sexuality and masturbate when growing up are not “cool” and were clearly brainwashed.. Because there’s no way a woman could organically enjoy watching porn.
“used porn to explore sexuality growing up”
Is that what you call exploring ? Or is that brainwashing ?
It’s from Pornhub’s homepage by the way. I didn’t type in any word, made any research, click on any category, it’s just the “
Recently Featured Porn Videos
“.
Porn is not for women.
Porn hates women.
Why do people need to get this through their thick heads?
This reminds me of all the idiots on my porn consumers are losers post kept asking what about women who watch porn and got so upset when I told that women don’t really watch porn and the minority of women who watch porn are being coerced by their boyfriends and/or social group and/or are self hating.
So much impotent rage because I said that women don’t enjoy this shit.
Stop talking for all women, PLEASE.
I fucking love porn. It made me way more secure in what I’m doing and helped me pleasuring myself and my man. I watched porn when I didn’t even understand why it turned me on but I kept watching it and I fucking love it. I love soft lesbian porn. I love discussing favorite porn movies with my man and lesbian friends. I love learning new stuff from porn that I can actually use in my sex life. Porn fucking empowered me.
Porn is great for some of us, you know? And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and self-thinking women.
Her description: Celly/German/ I happily and with all my heart defend ddlg and BDSM in general /anti-feminist/ happily taken/ bi/18]
Hey radfems which part of her response was the worst?
Porn fucking empowered me.
No it didn’t. It made you easier to manipulate and less secure.
And no, that’s not “internalized misogyny” or whatever bullshit you try
to spread here. That’s just us being self-loving, educated and
self-thinking women.
Is this before or after you pretend to be a little girl for your boyfriend?
The study determined that women’s sexist views increased the longer they were in relationships with benevolently sexist men. While it was certainly possible that the female participants had sexist leanings to begin with and simply sought partners who reinforced their views, the researchers noted that the fact that the women’s views changed over time indicated that they might have been under the influence of their partners.
Men want us to value ourselves based on their attraction to us. … Men will sexualize us and objectify us no matter what. They will do it even if we don’t want it, even if we actively try to stop it. Us embracing it is a gift to the patriarchy.
Celtyradfem 