Am I wet? Am I on my period? Did I pee my pants?- next on wtf is going on down there.
I’m so glad this is a universal wondering among vagina-owners, haha.
“vagina-owners”
*looks into the camera like i’m in the office*
‘submissivefeminist‘ oh for fucks sake.
If he’s a porn user he’s a loser.
If you’re a radfem, you’re a loser as well.
“If he displays healthy sexual interests, I’m not going to help him out when I see him beating his meat in front of the laptop and I’m just going to shame him instead because I’m a sex-negative radfem who can’t stand it when men don’t pay attention to me.”
what about women who enjoy porn?
I’ve already been through this and debunked the ‘women watch porn too’ bullshit. Women don’t really ‘enjoy’ porn women are told to tolerate it and watch it with their male partners. This doesn’t actually benefit women.
Women are pressured to be ‘cool’ and ‘fun’ by men’s standards and watch porn to learn how to be ‘sexy’ but the large majority of women still don’t watch porn. Whenever women question porngraphy we are directed to men like james deen who has just been outed as a rapist. So let’s stop pretending that women ‘enjoy’ porn it is not only extremely dishonest it is really creepy when men try to use how men’s porn obsession is pushed on women to defend porn.
PS. Your tags give way how full of shit you are. The word pornography translates as the ‘depictions of vile whores’ (obviously not pro woman or for women) yet you are trying to pretend feminists are the real misogynists. This is the same reversal gross men who wanted to defend pornography were making before porn was mainstream. You aren’t doing anything new. It is boring.
I’ve legit talked to tens of girls who always say the same thing?
it’s either“I don’t like porn, but he does so I let it slide..”
or
“I like porn. He does too, and he says I should.”I encounter that talk almost daily.
Thank you. The minority of women who ‘watch‘ porn aren’t actually doing it the way men do and they aren’t really watching it out of their own volition. Even the women who claim to be porn fans aren’t not really ‘enjoying‘ pornography.
I read about the james deen fan girls (who have bad taste in men because he is not attractive at all) and it turns out they were idolising him and seeing him as psuedo-boyfriend and had to desperately portrayed him in a good light. So really they were projecting their fantasies of a good boyfriend onto a male porn performer who has been outed as a rapist. This is the mentality of an empowered woman this the thinking pattern of a battered women. (Yell at me all you want, it it is still true).
Women who watch porn with their boyfriends are coerced into it by not only their male partners but by people in their social circles, relationship ‘therapists’ and the media. There are lots of ‘advice‘ directed at women who feel uncomfortable/distressed with their boyfriends porn use is to get over it or encourage it and watch it with him and basically act as his help meet.
Self appointed sexpert’s ‘advice‘ to women is to tolerate men’s porn obsession, let them abuse them and cater to their male partner’s fucked up kinks which he developed by watching pornography. ‘Sexperts’ (are they fucking kidding us) tell women to encourage porn use to ‘spice up the marriage’ but often men become more interested in the porn and encourages men to act out in bizzare ways.
I keep noticing that the whole “if you’re a TERF don’t follow me” thing
is always followed by “If you don’t believe trans women are women fuck
off” – I’ve NEVER seen it with “if you don’t believe trans men are men,
fuck off.” These people don’t care about trans people, they only care
about being seen as good trans allies so they only suck up to transwomen
because they know males are the ones whose approval matters.It’s very transparent, there’s never anything about respecting women, lesbians, or transmen. Only transwomen. It really looks like they just want Good Ally Points™ or male approval.
it bums me out a little to see comics like this because i absolutely am the Bullshit Feminist but at the same time i’m amused that the Intersectional Feminist says ‘oh no’ at the sight of the Bullshit Feminist reading a book and then doesn’t even explain why she’s mistaken, just tells her to go away.
Lmao good point.
It is so obvious they have the ‘I’m not like those other women‘ mentality. They don’t even bother to comprehend how basic feminist analysis contradicts trans ideology.
Tbh, when I see these fucking obnoxious, very young, Western women talking about how people who are anti-porn/prostitution are “anti sex-worker” all I can think is… how self centered ARE you that you think people talking about widespread exploitation are specifically coming after you and your half-assed camgirl/stripper/~sugarbaby~ career?? Like… how are you so selfish that your profit and your psychological comfort in what you’re doing trumps rape/violence/coercion/exploitation? How are you gonna pull out “no ethical production/consumption under capitalism” on this shit??
And how sick is it that women my age, very young women have been so indoctrinated into believing that porn/etc. is inevitable and normal and just another product?!?
Like, it’s women saying this shit. I see them talking like this more than men, it’s fucking horrifying.
If he’s a porn user he’s a loser.
What about women who watch porn?
*crickets*
You haven’t checked the notes have you? Why do porn defenders act
like I haven’t already heard all the bullshit before?I’ve already
addressed this non-argument several times. The women who watch porn are
not genuinely doing it out of their own volition it is grooming and
brainwashing to break it down:
Pornography and the impact it has
on our culture is forced on us. Women don’t get to opt out because men’s
porn obsession has caused a lot of psychological, psychical and sexual
damage on women. We don’t get to say no because if we do there
will a never ending line of
men and their handmaidens bullying her into accepting porn, shutting up
and only talking about this on an individual level (check the notes, no
seriously check the notes). This We aren’t allowed to say no to it
because we get harassed if we point out the sexual objectification,
misogyny, abuse etc.
Women are obliged to interact with
men who consume porn and we also are obliged to make excuses for it
because that is a coping strategy. Pornography is pushed on women
incessantly and we are told to accept it
or ‘join in‘ and become complicit in out own dehumanisation and
oppression. Men’s porn obsession has ruined sex
and any real chance of women’s freedom.
The women who claim to like porn aren’t doing it because
they actually like porn they are doing because they have been beaten down and
think accepting it and joining in on the misogyny will make things ok. They also use this as way to
attack and berate other women to try and gain acceptance and power
over other women. This is like how
regimes use loyal women to keep other women in line. It is self hating
and a part of women’s oppression.
“Feminists fuck better.” Please stop. Men still hate you. “Watch me smash patriarchy while reverse cow-girlin’ you.” He still thinks you’re a bitch. “I only fuck feminists.” Thanks for letting me know nothing’s really changed. “Feminists can be sexy and cute!” I don’t care for mollifying feminism; you’re only trying to make it palpable for men. “Some porn stars are empowered by porn!” Individual empowerment doesn’t speak for macro-social repercussions of the very same industry; the majority of actresses in pornography go through shootings with the help of alcohol and drugs in order to numb the physical and mental abuse they suffer. Much of your individualistic understanding of empowerment and agency is very much complicit with patriarchal violence. So.
If he’s a porn user he’s a loser.
What about women who watch porn?
They are amazing
We’re pretty cool
Hey princess-roxxxi you are apparently a well known loser on tumblr. I saw the receipts blog someone made. Where you defended pedophiles claiming most pedophiles are innocent. (Most actually do offend). Then told someone who was telling you off for defending pedophiles:
“I’m sorry, did daddy not teach you to read while he touched you, Astro? :(“
So just so everyone can see there is an overlap between the kind of women who think porn is cool and the kind of women who defend pedophiles.
“I see a lot of people on Tumblr concerned about being “invalidated.” I think this is somewhat inherent in subjective identity embracing. It is very difficult to have an internal *knowing* and yet walk through the world where people see something different than one sees of oneself. This is not only true for gender identities. Material reality is what makes young, law abiding, college attending, black men and women get shot and killed for simply knocking on a door while seeking help after a car accident. I can know who I am internally. I can believe I am smart and kind and fully human. But some people will just see black and whatever black means to them, they will apply to me in their thinking and actions. And that could mean that I get killed by the police over not using a turn signal or showing sufficient deference, my internal identity be damned.
This is why, for me, subjective identity would seem meaningless to apply to myself and I don’t quite understand why others find meaning in it. I do understand dysphoria. Although undiagnosed, I would say I lived through it during my younger life. So when I say that I don’t understand why others find meaning in subjective identity, I don’t mean to dismiss that it may help alleviate the pain of dysphoria. What I mean is that I see people leaving themselves open to harm caused by mere words. If “misgendering” is being experienced as if it is violence, how is subjective identity saving those who embrace it? To me, this would be like going outside and not remembering that I am black and female. No matter what I think and know of myself, I need to be conscious that this material reality will inform my experience whether I like it or not.
When I was younger, there was not this same identity focused culture among people my age. There was no opportunity to bond with other young women/girls and name what I was feeling with a collective. And I have to say, I think that was probably a good thing. Yes, I dissociated from and did what I could to hide my body. I think I did that in part, because I didn’t identify with what my body meant to other people. I dissociated, because I did not like, or rather, because I hated my vulnerability and the inherent subjugation that comes with being a female in patriarchy. I layered and did what I could to hide my femaleness. I had no idea about binding, otherwise I really might have done that. I refused to wear a bra, because I didn’t want to need one. Looking back, that didn’t make sense in any kind of practical way. Not wanting to need a bra and so not wearing one, meant I stopped being athletic, because running was physically painful and also made it very obvious that I DID in fact need a bra or some kind of support. Again, the material reality trumped my internal desire. But that said, my real internal desire was not to be male. It was to have my body not inform how I am treated in the world.
I think MAYBE some people who identify as “non-binary” kind of want the same thing. If that is true, then I think we may not be so far from each other in our heart of hearts, even if we do take different paths to reaching peace within ourselves and, to what extent it is possible, with the world around us.
I don’t mean to be hurtful when I say that I find “non-binary” meaningless. If gender is non-binary, then it is non-binary for all people no matter how we identify. “Non-binary” reifies the gender binary, because without binary, what can non-binary even mean? So “non-binary” makes no sense to me internally and it makes no sense to me in terms of material reality either, because I know that people will still go by what they see and understand and that will still be what actually informs how I am treated in the world.
That is why, for me, discovering feminism was my healing, because feminism helped me to unplug from and to see the matrix of patriarchy. Patriarchy assigns limitations on and expectations of us all based on our bodies to the benefit of those born male. It creates a hierarchy based on sex. And it does this via gender.
What I see of gender identity politics, does not seem like it has any potential at all to free us from patriarchy or its limitations and expectations. To me, it’s like switching seats on the Titanic. And again, though one’s subjective identity and the lengths one goes through to convey that subjective identity externally in order to alleviate dysphoria, may be healing and meaningful to any of us as individuals, solutions that enable individual survival within patriarchy, do not end patriarchy. And more often than not, these individual solutions actually affirm it.
Why do I say that? I say that because, if I am female and I choose to present in ways that are outside of gendered expectations for females… if I chose to ignore the expectations and limitations that patriarchy has socially constructed for me because of my body, I have to ask myself if this makes me no longer female… does it mean I am in the wrong body? Or does it mean that patriarchy is wrong about what a female person can be, look like, act like, take interest in? Which makes more sense? Which has the greater potential to challenge patriarchy? Does it make sense for me to believe I have crossed the line for “woman” (if we use the definition “adult human female”) and that I am now someone on the “trans spectrum”? Or does it make sense to come to an understanding that there are no inherent limitations and that means that “woman” (and “man”) can be seen in a way that looks much more like a spectrum than patriarchy tells us and that each of us, as individuals, bring definition to and expands the possibilities for our sex by simply being female (or male).
I have said this often… I define woman, it does not define me. I define my clothes, they do not define me. No matter what section of a store I find my clothing in, once it’s mine, it is women’s clothing. And I accept that I am female, because I am – just in the way that I accept that I am black. Because not accepting it, does not save me from being treated as such. That doesn’t mean that I accept and internally apply patriarchy’s meaning to myself. It means that I arm myself with understanding and protect myself, as best I can, by being aware of my surroundings and the way my body informs my material reality.
I really do not see how saying something like “I am not a woman, because I don’t identify as one” is supposed to change anything for or protect a person from the harm gender imposes on us in patriarchy. For one, words cannot stop us from being raped – not words like “No!” and not words like “I don’t identify as…”
Being female means we will be considered prey to many males. And even the males who are not rapists, benefit from the threat all females live with as a constant aspect of our material reality. How then does the utterance of words like “I am not a woman, because I don’t identify as one” inform one’s life in a practical way? What does it do for one if one can be devastated and triggered into feelings of suicide by the use of a wrong pronoun? That is not a rhetorical question. No one has to answer it for me, but it just seems like something one would want to consider towards one’s own survival.
I don’t believe that gender is real or innate. I know we are taught to believe it is inevitable. But I think it really just is social meaning applied based on sex. Gender varies significantly across cultures, unlike sex, which is universally understood and determined based on reproductive systems across cultures and even across species. And it varies this way across cultures, because it is socially constructed. In one culture females will be expected to tend to farming chores. In another, that might be considered work for males. It’s made up stuff, these cultural, societal expectations and limitations that amount to what we call gender. And gender so insidiously enforced that we tend to think of it as “natural” and innate. That’s why girls like me who were considered “tomboys” were policed daily with “girls can’t _____.” Whatever it was that I was doing that girls supposedly could not do, was not actually a natural limitation. It was a socially determined and enforced limitation. That’s why I say I don’t believe it is real. Yes, it does have real consequences for us all, so it’s not unreal in that sense. But gender is gender is gender is patriarchy, no matter what qualifier one places before it, non-binary, trans, cis etc.
So really, in a practical way, how does identifying as “non-binary” (or any other gender identity) serve you? And is it serving or challenging the patriarchy?
I also have to wonder if one’s willingness to abandon and deny tangible biology in favor of the theory of gender identity (like we know biology doesn’t actually change, but…), meaning if you say, “I am not a woman, because I do not identify as one” are you not simply saying, “I’m not like THEMMMMMMM”? And in so doing, are you not sort of projecting the meaning that patriarchy holds for females onto us, affirming patriarchy’s framing of women/girls while doing so? Because your, “I’m not like THEMMMMMMM” kind of implies, even if unconsciously, “they deserve the shit they get, while I am special and I do not.”
In practice, it amounts to “don’t do this TO ME” (which is how I see the practice of gender identity politics) rather than “don’t do this to ANY OF US” (which is feminism).”
If he’s a porn user he’s a loser.
what if its gay porn and he’s bi
if I’m a female porn user am I also a loser?
You are losing though because you are being manipulated by pornographers.
Celtyradfem 