“I have done several abortions on women who have regularly picketed my clinics, including a 16 year old schoolgirl who came back to picket the day after her abortion, about three years ago. During her whole stay at the clinic, we felt that she was not quite right, but there were no real warning bells. She insisted that the abortion was her idea and assured us that all was OK. She went through the procedure very smoothly and was discharged with no problems. A quite routine operation. Next morning she was with her mother and several school mates in front of the clinic with the usual anti posters and chants. It appears that she got the abortion she needed and still displayed the appropriate anti views expected of her by her parents, teachers, and peers.” (Physician, Australia)
“I’ve had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, ‘You’re not going to tell them, are you!?’ When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn’t want this to interfere with it.” (Physician, Texas)
“In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the ‘antis’ by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular ‘sidewalk counselor’ went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter’s situation had caused her to change her mind. ‘I don’t expect you to understand my daughter’s situation!’ she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to ‘murder their babies.’” (Clinic escort, Massachusetts)
“We too have seen our share of anti-choice women, ones the counselors usually grit their teeth over. Just last week a woman announced loudly enough for all to hear in the recovery room, that she thought abortion should be illegal. Amazingly, this was her second abortion within the last few months, having gotten pregnant again within a month of the first abortion. The nurse handled it by talking about all the carnage that went on before abortion was legalized and how fortunate she was to be receiving safe, professional care. However, this young woman continued to insist it was wrong and should be made illegal. Finally the nurse said, ‘Well, I guess we won’t be seeing you here again, not that you’re not welcome.’ Later on, another patient who had overheard this exchange thanked the nurse for her remarks.” (Clinic Administrator, Alberta)
“We saw a woman recently who after four attempts and many hours of counseling both at the hospital and our clinic, finally, calmly and uneventfully, had her abortion. Four months later, she called me on Christmas Eve to tell me that she was not and never was pro-choice and that we failed to recognize that she was clinically depressed at the time of her abortion. The purpose of her call was to chastise me for not sending her off to the psych unit instead of the procedure room.” (Clinic Administrator, Alberta)
“Recently, we had a patient who had given a history of being a ‘pro-life’ activist, but who had decided to have an abortion. She was pleasant to me and our initial discussion was mutually respectful. Later, she told someone on my staff that she thought abortion is murder, that she is a murderer, and that she is murdering her baby. So before doing her procedure, I asked her if she thought abortion is murder – the answer was yes. I asked her if she thought I am a murderer, and if she thought I would be murdering her baby, and she said yes. But murder is a crime, and murderers are executed. Is this a crime? Well, it should be, she said. At that point, she became angry and hostile, and the summary of the conversation was that she regarded me as an abortion-dispensing machine, and how dare I ask her what she thinks. After explaining to her that I do not perform abortions for people who think I am a murderer or people who are angry at me, I declined to provide her with medical care. I do not know whether she found someone else to do her abortion.” (Physician, Colorado)
“In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first ‘legal abortion day’ I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, ‘How many children are you going to kill today?’ My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. ‘All I need to know’, I said, ‘is that SHE wants an abortion.’ Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, ‘Please don’t tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.’” (Physician, Washington State)
“The sister of a Dutch bishop in Limburg once visited the abortion clinic in Beek where I used to work in the seventies. After entering the full waiting room she said to me, ‘My dear Lord, what are all those young girls doing here?’ ‘Same as you’, I replied. ‘Dirty little dames,’ she said.” (Physician, The Netherlands)
“I had a patient about ten years ago who traveled up to New York City from South Carolina for an abortion. I asked her why she went such a long way to get the procedure. Her answer was that she was a member of a church group that didn’t believe in abortion and she didn’t want anyone to know she was having one. She planned to return to the group when she went back to South Carolina.” (Physician, New York)
“I once had a German client who greatly thanked me at the door, leaving after a difficult 22-week abortion. With a gleaming smile, she added: ‘Und doch sind Sie ein Mörderer.’ (‘And you’re still a murderer.’)” (Physician, The Netherlands)
“My first encounter with this phenomenon came when I was doing a 2-week follow-up at a family planning clinic. The woman’s anti-choice values spoke indirectly through her expression and body language. She told me that she had been offended by the other women in the abortion clinic waiting room because they were using abortion as a form of birth control, but her condom had broken so she had no choice! I had real difficulty not pointing out that she did have a choice, and she had made it! Just like the other women in the waiting room.” (Physician, Ontario)
“A 21 year old woman and her mother drove three hours to come to their appointment for an abortion. They were surprised to find the clinic a ‘nice’ place with friendly, personable staff. While going over contraceptive options, they shared that they were Pro-Life and disagreed with abortion, but that the patient could not afford to raise a child right now. Also, she wouldn’t need contraception since she wasn’t going to have sex until she got married, because of her religious beliefs. Rather than argue with them, I saw this as an opportunity for dialogue, and in the end, my hope was that I had planted a ‘healing seed’ to help resolve the conflict between their beliefs and their realities.” (Physician, Washington State)
“I had a 37 year old woman just yesterday who was 13 weeks. She said she and her husband had been discussing this pregnancy for 2-3 months. She was strongly opposed to abortion, ‘but my husband is forcing me to do it.’ Naturally, I told her that no one could force her into an abortion, and that she had to choose whether the pregnancy or her husband were more important. I told her I only wanted what was best for her, and I would not do the abortion unless she agreed that it was in her best interest. Once she was faced with actually having to voice her own choice, she said ‘Well, I made the appointment and I came here, so go ahead and do it. It’s what’s best.’ At last I think she came to grips with the fact that it really was her decision after all.” (Physician, Nevada)
“We have anti-choice women in for abortions all the time. Many of them are just naive and ignorant until they find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. Many of them are not malicious. They just haven’t given it the proper amount of thought until it completely affects them. They can be judgmental about their friends, family, and other women. Then suddenly they become pregnant. Suddenly they see the truth. That it should only be their own choice. Unfortunately, many also think that somehow they are different than everyone else and they deserve to have an abortion, while no one else does.” (Physician, Washington State)
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The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion
“I have done several abortions on women who have regularly picketed my clinics, including a 16 year old schoolgirl who came back to picket the day after her abortion, about three years ago. During her whole stay at the clinic, we felt that she was not quite right, but there were no real warning bells. She insisted that the abortion was her idea and assured us that all was OK. She went through the procedure very smoothly and was discharged with no problems. A quite routine operation. Next morning she was with her mother and several school mates in front of the clinic with the usual anti posters and chants. It appears that she got the abortion she needed and still displayed the appropriate anti views expected of her by her parents, teachers, and peers.” (Physician, Australia)
“I’ve had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, ‘You’re not going to tell them, are you!?’ When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn’t want this to interfere with it.” (Physician, Texas)
“In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the ‘antis’ by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular ‘sidewalk counselor’ went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter’s situation had caused her to change her mind. ‘I don’t expect you to understand my daughter’s situation!’ she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to ‘murder their babies.’” (Clinic escort, Massachusetts)
“We too have seen our share of anti-choice women, ones the counselors usually grit their teeth over. Just last week a woman announced loudly enough for all to hear in the recovery room, that she thought abortion should be illegal. Amazingly, this was her second abortion within the last few months, having gotten pregnant again within a month of the first abortion. The nurse handled it by talking about all the carnage that went on before abortion was legalized and how fortunate she was to be receiving safe, professional care. However, this young woman continued to insist it was wrong and should be made illegal. Finally the nurse said, ‘Well, I guess we won’t be seeing you here again, not that you’re not welcome.’ Later on, another patient who had overheard this exchange thanked the nurse for her remarks.” (Clinic Administrator, Alberta)
“We saw a woman recently who after four attempts and many hours of counseling both at the hospital and our clinic, finally, calmly and uneventfully, had her abortion. Four months later, she called me on Christmas Eve to tell me that she was not and never was pro-choice and that we failed to recognize that she was clinically depressed at the time of her abortion. The purpose of her call was to chastise me for not sending her off to the psych unit instead of the procedure room.” (Clinic Administrator, Alberta)
“Recently, we had a patient who had given a history of being a ‘pro-life’ activist, but who had decided to have an abortion. She was pleasant to me and our initial discussion was mutually respectful. Later, she told someone on my staff that she thought abortion is murder, that she is a murderer, and that she is murdering her baby. So before doing her procedure, I asked her if she thought abortion is murder – the answer was yes. I asked her if she thought I am a murderer, and if she thought I would be murdering her baby, and she said yes. But murder is a crime, and murderers are executed. Is this a crime? Well, it should be, she said. At that point, she became angry and hostile, and the summary of the conversation was that she regarded me as an abortion-dispensing machine, and how dare I ask her what she thinks. After explaining to her that I do not perform abortions for people who think I am a murderer or people who are angry at me, I declined to provide her with medical care. I do not know whether she found someone else to do her abortion.” (Physician, Colorado)
“In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first ‘legal abortion day’ I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, ‘How many children are you going to kill today?’ My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. ‘All I need to know’, I said, ‘is that SHE wants an abortion.’ Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, ‘Please don’t tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.’” (Physician, Washington State)
“The sister of a Dutch bishop in Limburg once visited the abortion clinic in Beek where I used to work in the seventies. After entering the full waiting room she said to me, ‘My dear Lord, what are all those young girls doing here?’ ‘Same as you’, I replied. ‘Dirty little dames,’ she said.” (Physician, The Netherlands)
“I had a patient about ten years ago who traveled up to New York City from South Carolina for an abortion. I asked her why she went such a long way to get the procedure. Her answer was that she was a member of a church group that didn’t believe in abortion and she didn’t want anyone to know she was having one. She planned to return to the group when she went back to South Carolina.” (Physician, New York)
“I once had a German client who greatly thanked me at the door, leaving after a difficult 22-week abortion. With a gleaming smile, she added: ‘Und doch sind Sie ein Mörderer.’ (‘And you’re still a murderer.’)” (Physician, The Netherlands)
“My first encounter with this phenomenon came when I was doing a 2-week follow-up at a family planning clinic. The woman’s anti-choice values spoke indirectly through her expression and body language. She told me that she had been offended by the other women in the abortion clinic waiting room because they were using abortion as a form of birth control, but her condom had broken so she had no choice! I had real difficulty not pointing out that she did have a choice, and she had made it! Just like the other women in the waiting room.” (Physician, Ontario)
“A 21 year old woman and her mother drove three hours to come to their appointment for an abortion. They were surprised to find the clinic a ‘nice’ place with friendly, personable staff. While going over contraceptive options, they shared that they were Pro-Life and disagreed with abortion, but that the patient could not afford to raise a child right now. Also, she wouldn’t need contraception since she wasn’t going to have sex until she got married, because of her religious beliefs. Rather than argue with them, I saw this as an opportunity for dialogue, and in the end, my hope was that I had planted a ‘healing seed’ to help resolve the conflict between their beliefs and their realities.” (Physician, Washington State)
“I had a 37 year old woman just yesterday who was 13 weeks. She said she and her husband had been discussing this pregnancy for 2-3 months. She was strongly opposed to abortion, ‘but my husband is forcing me to do it.’ Naturally, I told her that no one could force her into an abortion, and that she had to choose whether the pregnancy or her husband were more important. I told her I only wanted what was best for her, and I would not do the abortion unless she agreed that it was in her best interest. Once she was faced with actually having to voice her own choice, she said ‘Well, I made the appointment and I came here, so go ahead and do it. It’s what’s best.’ At last I think she came to grips with the fact that it really was her decision after all.” (Physician, Nevada)
“We have anti-choice women in for abortions all the time. Many of them are just naive and ignorant until they find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. Many of them are not malicious. They just haven’t given it the proper amount of thought until it completely affects them. They can be judgmental about their friends, family, and other women. Then suddenly they become pregnant. Suddenly they see the truth. That it should only be their own choice. Unfortunately, many also think that somehow they are different than everyone else and they deserve to have an abortion, while no one else does.” (Physician, Washington State)
I’m so cautious of pro choice men because so many of them think the “choice” in question should be their choice. I know a woman who was beaten by her boyfriend and his friends because she refused to have an abortion- he literally tried to force her to miscarry because she wouldn’t do what he wanted.
These men may pretend they support our rights, but they don’t. For them, abortion is another way to control our reproductive capabilities. Conservative and liberal misogyny are different “brands” but they’re misogyny all the same.
I’m so cautious of pro choice men because so many of them think the “choice” in question should be their choice. I know a woman who was beaten by her boyfriend and his friends because she refused to have an abortion- he literally tried to force her to miscarry because she wouldn’t do what he wanted.
These men may pretend they support our rights, but they don’t. For them, abortion is another way to control our reproductive capabilities. Conservative and liberal misogyny are different “brands” but they’re misogyny all the same.
Pro-Choice?
Being a biological male i don’t understand abortion. If you got raped yeah I understand but if you sit there and have sex and then get pregnant you deal with the consequences. I don’t understand why you’d want to kill something you made inside your body. Can someone who is pro choice explain this to me?
Abortion is a way to deal with the consequences.
I know, being someone who will never have to deal with pregnancy, it’s difficult to understand why someone might not want to spend nine months throwing up, getting kicked in the ribs and cervix, with an aching back, with round ligament pain, with sciatica, muscle cramps, swollen feet, headaches, insomnia, exhaustion, nausea, frequent urination, aching hips, all while risking future health and maybe even their life.
And I understand, as someone who will never have to experience it, how you might not understand why someone doesn’t want to endure hours of painful labor followed by having another human ripped or cut from your body.
And I know you can’t possibly understand why someone might not want to then spend 6-8 weeks bleeding profusely in huge chunks from their, possibly, torn vagina. Unable to sit properly. Or piss without it burning. Or even shit without bursting into tears. Or, you know, if they had to have their abdomen sliced open, they would have to deal with that. And you might have had abdominal surgery at some point. So maybe you could see why someone might not want to endure that.
And I mean, since you’ll never have to worry about losing your income due to pregnancy and then thousands of dollars worth of bills that start rolling in before you’re even back on your feet, I can see why that doesn’t seem like a big deal to you.
But why don’t we just trust people to make their own medical decisions. And if it’s something you’ll never have to worry about, that’s even MORE reason to just mind your own business.
I was just wondering please calm down
I’m perfectly calm. You were wondering. I told you. If you didn’t want to know, you probably shouldn’t have asked.
Man: asks for information
Woman: here is your information
Man: woah, omg, why are you so angry??
I guess any description of pregnancy and childbirth sounds angry when you have no idea what they actually entail.
-VA few more things:
First, several people thought perhaps that answer was a tad over the top, I’d argue considering how little both men and women really understand about pregnancy before it happens (and sometimes during and after), how absolutely violent it can be to the woman, I think perhaps the tone that was taken drives home that point better than most.
Second, the original comment neglects REALLY digging into one major aspect:
MONEY.
Here are the things that eventually cost money, time and time and money.
1. Clothing, eventually many women have to create an entire mini wardrobe from socks to bra and back again, often two, as you spend some time one size and then some more time a totally different size. Even some multi sized pants, for instance, only start working at a certain size. In case you were curious, a woman’s bra, a good one that’s comfortable and doesn’t press into your VERY SENSITIVE BOOBS (it’s a thing that happens) can cost upwards of $40 easily.
AND THEN often, post partum there’s whole ‘NOTHER pile of clothes women need. B/c of size, b/c of breast feeding, b/c of permanently changed parts of the body. Many women end up having to buy all new shoes.
2. FOOD. First, your grocery habits change immensely. And at a certain point its calories over content to a certain extent. If you find yourself 8 months pregnant only able to stomach even LOOKING at 3 particular foods, trust me, those are the foods you eat. Not everyone is lucky enough for those foods to be economical as well.
3. MEDICAL.
A Pregnant woman easily has 4 – 6 doctor appointments, sometimes many more over the course of the nine months. With the way insurance works those could qualify as specialties and therefore cost more than your average copay. On top of that, I’m betting there’s procedure fees, wanna bet they charge separate for some ultra sounds? And then there’s the ‘voluntary’ stuff, if you have a family history of certain genetic issues, are you gonna spring for the amnio? That’s nto cheap either. On top of that prenatal vitamins are hella expensive and absolutely not covered on insurance. And then what if your pregnancy requires special monitoring or special treatments?
I haven’t even gone into the hospital stay to have the kid. Even if they kick you out under 24 hours later, that’s still a VERY large bill.
4. On top of all this, if you are a full or part time worker, you’ll end up taking time off, which is less money right there. At least you might have insurance then.
5. Here is where we split, if you are giving your baby up for adoption, which is an incredibly traumatic experience, even for people who genuinely don’t want a child, then yes, you don’t have to uy all the items a new baby needs. If you are keeping the child, please insert anywhere from $500 – $2500 more dollars as prep work.
6. Recovery. Once you spit the kid out, you’re not done with doctors. As described above, there’s a lot of you physically that needs to recover. SO you have YET MORE DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS.
7. Your body is never the same. Look up the incidence of prolapse in older women who delivered vaginally. Yes, the body is amazing and for the most part goes back to normal (and that takes nearly a full year) but there are things that will never go back. Pregnancy is an incredibly dangerous and invasive and violent thing to happen to the human body and no one should be forced to go through with it if they don’t want to.
(In before “they should be more responsible”: You can do EVERYTHING RIGHT and still beat the odds. First you go and tell married couples they can never have sex if they don’t want kids and we’ll meet back here and you can tell me how that went before I go out and take that stance with everyone else.)
Edited to add: And in general, I took the best case scenarios and skipped things like diabetic issues and severe post partum issues.
Having experienced two pregnancies that did not go well for me physically (aside from healthy infants), YES, ALL OF THIS, THANK YOU.
I’ve had a daughter.. you know what.. instead of acting like it’s fucking torture, let’s put on our big girl panties and see how thankful you should fucking be. Everything is fucking expensive. You know what? It’s fucking worth every penny to have someone who loves you unconditionally. The description was total shit, and RUDE. I have a feeling that person was a twat feminist who thinks men should bow down right? Not have a say in the abortion? They deserve a say cause they helped make the miracle you’re so ungrateful about.
Painful? Sure. Guess what? It doesn’t matter once you’re holding that precious bundle who will grow to know you and care. I even know woman who were “rape babies”. That’s a human still. Very caring ones too. My “mom” was one of them. She stands up for rape victims and explains how she was born from it then suffered from it herself. It’s not the babies fault nor the person it’s done to. Don’t punish a life unless you’re sure it’s life threatening. We were made to reproduce.. not kill off.
A child of rape is not a miracle.
Women are not obliged to feel grateful for an unwanted pregnancy especially if the pregnancy was caused by rape.
Telling women they “need to put on their big girl panties“ and carry and unwanted or ambivalent pregnancy to term is manipulative and disgusting.
It is sick and twisted for you to say that.
“The description was total shit, and RUDE. I have a feeling that person
was a twat feminist who thinks men should bow down right?“
I have have the feeling, no, I know you believe women that men should have authority over us including our reproductive capabilities and see women not deferring to men as ‘oppressing’ or ‘subjugating’ them.
Don’t complain about rudeness when you say shit like “twat feminist”.
I could just as easily call you a brain dead baby snatcher….but that would be rude.
motherbychoice wrote a detailed response in a calm and rational manner explaining the pro choice position and pro lifers are acting like she told you to go get fucked or something.
“My “mom” was one of them. She stands up for rape victims and explains how she was born from it then suffered from it herself.”
If she says the things you do she isn’t standing up for rape victims.
“I have a feeling that person was a twat feminist who thinks men should bow down right?“
Men don’t have a say on abortion.
If she wants to discuss it with him she will.
It is her decision.
“They deserve a say cause they helped make the miracle you’re so ungrateful about.”
A man does not own the women he has impregnated.
“Painful? Sure. Guess what? It doesn’t matter once you’re holding that precious bundle who will grow to know you and care“
Did you think about what happens after that?
Cute babies!!!!! don’t make up for having to raise a child of rape they don’t stay children forever and they are eventually going to find out.
The impact that would have on the child is horrifying and you want to force this to happen.
“It’s not the babies fault nor the person it’s done to. Don’t punish a
life unless you’re sure it’s life threatening.”
Having an abortion isn’t ‘punishing‘ the fetus.
It is a woman deciding she doesn’t want to carry to term.
Women can have many reasons to decide to abort but no woman gets an abortion to punish the fetus.
“We were made to
reproduce.. not kill off.”
Women are not brood mares.
Just because you can reproduce doesn’t mean you have to.
Pregnancies are rejected in the womb all the time.
Not every fertilsed egg or fetus is supposed to end up born.
Okay I did look into it and lesb14n (lesfemale, the OP of that other post) is on fact 100% a TERF. She’s super transphobic, from believing trans men are the source of misogyny to “I don’t believe in gender, I believe in biology uwu”. She honestly super terrible and I really recommend blocking her.
Yeah, I deleted the post that we had reblogged, sorry about that! We have no interest in associating with TERFs.
-VOh jesus fucking christ
Lmao ;( I wish tumblr dragged mras and white supremacists as much as they dragged women who have common sense
yooooooo lmao
I mean wow and blatant lying as well? Even in the rare case that mras or white supremacists are dragged it’s actual receipts being presented but ok.
i saw goody proctor with the devil
You are a pro choice blog for fucks sake.
Show some integrity and show loyalty to women/female people.
Why the fuck are women supposed to trust you when you behave like this?
You believe anon accusations on fear of being associated with ‘terfs’?
You could have ignored it and go on with giving women biologically correct information but instead you decide to be a fuckhead.
What exactly do you have to offer women(female people)?
What exactly are shunning women who “believe in biology” for?
You are talking about women’s reproductive rights stop being a dickhead.
Why is ‘gender identity’ this fucking important? It’s not real.
Why is ‘gender identity‘ more important than getting women (adult human female people) the information they need.
Why is making sure you aren’t associated with ‘terfs‘ relevant to being pro choice?
You are doing the same thing as the pro lifers. You know that right?
Apparently human beings are “basically shrimp” until at least three months gestation. At which point apparently the Science fairy comes and sprinkles Human Dust on them and they magically become human.
The anti-science bullshit of the pro-choice position would be funny if it wasn’t so brutally violent.
Apparently anti choice people really fail across the board at what pro choice people actually say. Because apparently saying “a pregnant person owns their own body, and because the uterus is a part of their body the fetus requires their continuous consent to use it, just like any person on the planet would need their consent to use any part of their body” is ‘anti science’.
Also literally no one is denying that the fetus is human. It’s just not a person, because it isn’t sentient, aware, capable of suffering, or bodily autonomous. In fact it isn’t ever truly awake until birth.
Human =/= person and person =/= human. The two are not synonymous any more, as our definition of what constitutes a person has changed. And again, even if you called the fetus a person… it still requires continuous consent of the pregnant person.
Your ignorance would be funny if it didn’t literally kill 70,000+ people per year, cause terrorism, put people behind bars for miscarriages and strip people of their basic human rights.
This comment is great, right up until the end when you erase women. Seventy thousand WOMEN a year die, it’s WOMEN who are put behind bars for miscarriage and abortion and it’s WOMEN who are being stripped of their human rights. When you erase women you erase the reason this happens and thus our ability to recognize and change it
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THIS BLOG SUPPORTS ANY AND ALL REASONS FOR ABORTION. NO EXCEPTIONS.
If someone running an abortion blog cannot acknowledge the sex-based oppression all females face, and they cannot understand that trans women are males and cannot get pregnant, that person has NO BUSINESS running an abortion blog.
Why I won’t be talking about abortion as a “women’s issue” anymore
Read this shit. This kind of bullshit will kill the women’s movement and be used against reproductive rights.
Why I won’t be talking about abortion as a “women’s issue” anymore