Just like a TERF now SWERF to create something like this. Because to hell with the voices of those women that seek this work on their terms. To hell with those that refuse the standard wage slave life. To hell with those that choose this because it’s lucrative and want to use men as they use us.
And I’m pretty sure OP isn’t a SW or and Ex-SW.
And has NO Effing clue towards Liberal Feminism.
On Liberal Feminism.
Liberal Feminism is feminism based on the support of women’s choices. It’s choice based feminism with several parts.
1. All women’s choices are feminist if that is the best she can do in her situation, we don’t bash those women for choices made from situations that are not ours.
2. All women’s choices should if possible be looked at through a feminist lens. This means looking at things analytically with ideals like the means of production, who holds power, ownership, office and what it takes to take that either back or for women or to build our own.
3. Respect, it’s respect based feminism where each voice is powerful and important. There’s no unity without respect, there’s no movement without unity. This is why we support and accept ALL women. It makes out movement and community as women stronger. Voices equal votes, respect equals unity, unity means we fight, march, vote together.
4. We firmly believe in effective feminism. See this is confused by a lot as capitalist when it’s far more about changing things through the free market. In taking back products and services for us with women’s narratives and thought and most importantly ownership. All over the world women with this kind of agency change things. It’s about supporting our economic freedom as women for women as this is a key element in freedom as poverty via patriarchy is literally weaponized.
LF is not media hype, it’s not fashion magazine silliness, it’s not pandering to any male. it’s not the sex pozzie thing from Cosmo, it’s not wild support of all trans things or kinks.
it’s not half the things all the TERF pushing folks ever claim.
Mfw males try to tell women we’re doing feminism wrong because we don’t think women should be objects for male consumption.
Seriously look at all the anti-TERF/SWERF posts.
Those of us in SW or were in SW have literally telling you to stop having selective and conditional conversations talking over us.
And YES look at your blog YOU are doing feminism wrong.
And YOU like OP have definitely gotten Liberal Feminism wrong.
ALL LF has ever done is say listen to the entire community and stop conditionally shaming women.
When I ran a liberal feminist blog, I don’t remember another libfem EVER trying to start a conversation about women who are forced into sex work. I don’t remember them ever trying to bring attention to women who are raped, on drugs, and abused doing sex work.
Literally all they do is repeat the same bullshit MEANINGLESS line “respect sex workers!” over and over again accomplishing nothing. That isn’t feminism, that’s learning to enjoy patriarchy.
We don’t shame women, we shame MEN who buy women’s bodies. The reason libfems get offended over that is because it ruins their fantasy pretend world where everything they do is an empowered choice.
If prostitution is always so empowering and a choice why is it always the women with the least choices that become sex workers? The sex work is so great crowd are a privileged minority. Who don’t give a fuck about women forced into prostitution. Which is the vast majority worldwide. Liberal feminism is a joke it doesn’t address real issues. It’s all a bunch of American/Northern Europeans taking about how great prostitution is. All because they think ‘ending the stigma’ is the biggest issue with sex work. Once again it’s avoiding dismantling power structures and refusing to look critically at the situation. The idea that it’s so called SWERFS taking over sex workers is laughable. If you ever left your bubble of privilege you would find out most sex workers want out. Trying reading a book if leaving your room is too hard. If you saw the reality of sex work outside of the west or poor girls with crippling smack addiction having to service men while pregnant you would see what a disgusting human being you are. The most self righteous people on tumblr are always the most vile ignorant people I have ever had the displeasure to come across. No to mention tygres constantly talks like a complete moron. This is obviously someone with little intelligence or education yet seems to believe themselves to be some kind of genius saviour. The arrogance dripping off every idiotic thing they type. They should bottle that level of delusional confidence and sell it. Why type like your an angry 14 year old? So many sjw types on tumblr seem so young in their attitudes and then they turn out to be 28. It’s sad.
Someone should really remind Tyler that the trans women who end up on the TDOR list tend to have two things in common/
1) they’re racially marginalized and,
2) they’re prostituted
Why is tiger supporting an industry that is LITERALLY responsible for the deaths of trans women world-wide?
lmao at libfems using words like “wage slaves” when y’all will jump through hoops to perpetuate the oldest capitalist exploitation system in history aka prostitution, where women’s bodies are bought and sold like cattle until they’re no fun anymore because it makes so much sense to oppose corporations trying to profit from the suffering of the working class but somehow that doesn’t apply to pimps profiting off of prostituted women’s suffering and abuse y’all are literally so fucking stupid do you even hear yourselves
“How hard is it to be a female human being in the media? Anne Hathaway is a pretty good measure. She learned everything she could about sex trafficking and prostitution to play Fantine [in Les Misérables], and knew only too well that modern-day Fantines were probably living within blocks of the Academy Awards. As she said in her [Oscar] acceptance speech, ‘Here’s hoping that someday in the not too distant future the misfortunes of Fantine will only be found in stories and never in real life.‘ Did that get coverage? No. Instead, the huge and expensive media beast speculated on her nipples. In a way, that makes Anne’s point. No wonder there are still Fantines, so many in the media think like pimps, traffickers, and johns.”
“How hard is it to be a female human being in the media? Anne Hathaway is a pretty good measure. She learned everything she could about sex trafficking and prostitution to play Fantine [in Les Misérables], and knew only too well that modern-day Fantines were probably living within blocks of the Academy Awards. As she said in her [Oscar] acceptance speech, ‘Here’s hoping that someday in the not too distant future the misfortunes of Fantine will only be found in stories and never in real life.‘ Did that get coverage? No. Instead, the huge and expensive media beast speculated on her nipples. In a way, that makes Anne’s point. No wonder there are still Fantines, so many in the media think like pimps, traffickers, and johns.”
A number of politicians and law enforcers are now accepting that
legalised prostitution has been an unmitigated disaster. There is
currently a proposed law being considered by the Dutch Senate which, if
passed, would result in punters being criminalised if they pay for sex
with a trafficked, pimped or otherwise coerced woman.
These changes are the result of a vibrant sex trade abolitionist movement emerging in Holland.
The Dutch legalised their brothel industry in the year 2000. The
government promised that this would result in safety for the women, and
an end to trafficking. It claimed that everything would be above board,
safe and clean. The opposite happened. Sex tourism is now a major
industry, with British men being one group of Europeans visiting the
city to pay for sex. A number of punters I have interviewed told me that
they wouldn’t have dreamt of using prostituted women back home, but
that being in Holland gave them permission to do it.
The illegal and unlicensed sex trade has boomed under
legalisation, trafficking of women has risen dramatically, demand is on
the rise and the women are certainly no safer than they were when
pimping was illegal.
I have been visiting Holland over the course of 15 years, researching
the consequences of legalisation.I have interviewed sex buyers
(including one who told me he first paid for sex when he was 12 years
old), women in brothels, pimps and pro-legalisation lobbyists that make a
profit off the backs of prostituted women.
Xaviera Hollander is a big part of the propaganda machine that
promotes the notion that prostituted women under legalisation are having
a great time. Hollander is known for her memoir, The Happy Hooker: My Own Story,
which sold by the millions. I visited her at her home in Amsterdam, to
ask if she thinks the women are happy under legalisation. She admits to
me that trafficking is on the rise, and that legalisation is far from
effective in removing criminality from the sex trade. Coming from a
former pimp, this is quite something.
There are large numbers of tour guides offering tours around
Amsterdam’s red light areas. I took one of these tours last year, and was told that legalisation is a perfect model, that the women are safe
and happy and the public accept the window brothels as part of the
architecture. I asked the guide where he got his information from, and
he told me that the Prostitution Information Centre (PIC)
provide, for a fee, information for all of the tour companies. The PIC
is run as a business by women who claim to be “sex workers”. In fact
they appear to be nothing of the kind, being a company charging for this
advice and therefore profiting from prostitution.
What once looked like a revolutionary approach to prostitution is now
clearly seen as a disaster, by all except those who seek to make a
profit from prostitution.
Jolanda Boer is a senior public prosecutor specialising in human
trafficking. Over the past decade Boer has dealt with more than 100 such
cases in Amsterdam. “There have been cases where the girl has been
raped by their pimps and threatened into working behind the windows. The
women are not in a position to freely tell people when something is
going wrong. But of course they’re smiling because if you don’t you’re
not going to get a client,” says Boer.
On Saturday I spoke to a packed room about my book
on the global sex trade. The event was held in the red light district,
in a building that had previously been a Chinese massage parlour
offering “happy endings”. I had expected some kind of protest, or
infiltration by the pro-prostitution lobby. But every person in the room
was there because they recognised that prostitution is a human rights
abuse, harmful to the women involved, and that legalisation has been
disastrous.
The following day I was in Den Haag, home of the Dutch parliament,
launching my book in front of dozens of concerned citizens, all of whom
have had enough of Holland being held up as a perfect model in dealing
with prostitution. After the launch, dozens of us marched along the
local red light district, holding up banners and placards with slogans
such as “Shut down the sex trade” and “Enough is enough”. It was the
first ever public demonstration against legal brothels.
The Dutch empire is crumbling. Over one-third of all window brothels
have closed, and more will soon lose their licences. A group of 10
Hungarian traffickers are currently on trial in Den Haag, and much of
the reporting of the trial links trafficking of women to the legalised
regime. There is still a long way to go, but now that feminists are
daring to speak out against the disastrous Dutch model of legalisation,
there is no going back.
A number of politicians and law enforcers are now accepting that
legalised prostitution has been an unmitigated disaster. There is
currently a proposed law being considered by the Dutch Senate which, if
passed, would result in punters being criminalised if they pay for sex
with a trafficked, pimped or otherwise coerced woman.
These changes are the result of a vibrant sex trade abolitionist movement emerging in Holland.
The Dutch legalised their brothel industry in the year 2000. The
government promised that this would result in safety for the women, and
an end to trafficking. It claimed that everything would be above board,
safe and clean. The opposite happened. Sex tourism is now a major
industry, with British men being one group of Europeans visiting the
city to pay for sex. A number of punters I have interviewed told me that
they wouldn’t have dreamt of using prostituted women back home, but
that being in Holland gave them permission to do it.
The illegal and unlicensed sex trade has boomed under
legalisation, trafficking of women has risen dramatically, demand is on
the rise and the women are certainly no safer than they were when
pimping was illegal.
I have been visiting Holland over the course of 15 years, researching
the consequences of legalisation.I have interviewed sex buyers
(including one who told me he first paid for sex when he was 12 years
old), women in brothels, pimps and pro-legalisation lobbyists that make a
profit off the backs of prostituted women.
Xaviera Hollander is a big part of the propaganda machine that
promotes the notion that prostituted women under legalisation are having
a great time. Hollander is known for her memoir, The Happy Hooker: My Own Story,
which sold by the millions. I visited her at her home in Amsterdam, to
ask if she thinks the women are happy under legalisation. She admits to
me that trafficking is on the rise, and that legalisation is far from
effective in removing criminality from the sex trade. Coming from a
former pimp, this is quite something.
There are large numbers of tour guides offering tours around
Amsterdam’s red light areas. I took one of these tours last year, and was told that legalisation is a perfect model, that the women are safe
and happy and the public accept the window brothels as part of the
architecture. I asked the guide where he got his information from, and
he told me that the Prostitution Information Centre (PIC)
provide, for a fee, information for all of the tour companies. The PIC
is run as a business by women who claim to be “sex workers”. In fact
they appear to be nothing of the kind, being a company charging for this
advice and therefore profiting from prostitution.
What once looked like a revolutionary approach to prostitution is now
clearly seen as a disaster, by all except those who seek to make a
profit from prostitution.
Jolanda Boer is a senior public prosecutor specialising in human
trafficking. Over the past decade Boer has dealt with more than 100 such
cases in Amsterdam. “There have been cases where the girl has been
raped by their pimps and threatened into working behind the windows. The
women are not in a position to freely tell people when something is
going wrong. But of course they’re smiling because if you don’t you’re
not going to get a client,” says Boer.
On Saturday I spoke to a packed room about my book
on the global sex trade. The event was held in the red light district,
in a building that had previously been a Chinese massage parlour
offering “happy endings”. I had expected some kind of protest, or
infiltration by the pro-prostitution lobby. But every person in the room
was there because they recognised that prostitution is a human rights
abuse, harmful to the women involved, and that legalisation has been
disastrous.
The following day I was in Den Haag, home of the Dutch parliament,
launching my book in front of dozens of concerned citizens, all of whom
have had enough of Holland being held up as a perfect model in dealing
with prostitution. After the launch, dozens of us marched along the
local red light district, holding up banners and placards with slogans
such as “Shut down the sex trade” and “Enough is enough”. It was the
first ever public demonstration against legal brothels.
The Dutch empire is crumbling. Over one-third of all window brothels
have closed, and more will soon lose their licences. A group of 10
Hungarian traffickers are currently on trial in Den Haag, and much of
the reporting of the trial links trafficking of women to the legalised
regime. There is still a long way to go, but now that feminists are
daring to speak out against the disastrous Dutch model of legalisation,
there is no going back.
The Oxfam scandal is about male disaster relief workers swapping aid for sex from impoverished, desperate women but don’t liberals usually call that “sex work”? And claim that it’s just like any other work? I honestly don’t understand how the “sex work is empowering” crowd can pretend to have a problem with this.
The Oxfam scandal is about male disaster relief workers swapping aid for sex from impoverished, desperate women but don’t liberals usually call that “sex work”? And claim that it’s just like any other work? I honestly don’t understand how the “sex work is empowering” crowd can pretend to have a problem with this.
Any version of feminism that excludes trans women and sex workers is not feminism that I can get behind (and, honestly, I seriously hesitate to even label that ideology a form of feminism. It’s really just a shitty, harmful knockoff).
1) The only “sex-workers” that are excluded are johns and pimps. Radical feminism is an ideology that critises the sex industry, not the sex workers. You’ve literally tagged this as “whorephobia”, funny, considering how that is used as a derogative.
2) Radical feminism preceded today’s current main form of feminism. It’s definitely not the knock-off.
3) Radical feminism centres around how behaviours are imposed on the female biological sex. You are correct that it excludes males, however they may identify, but all reproductive and health arguments automatically include all females, including those otherwise identified.
I remember aging out of foster care, and one of the concerns my social worker expressed for girls like me was that many girls who leave foster care end up in sex trafficking.
I remember being so horrified by this, as if this was going to be a likely and inescapable fate for me.
I learned first hand how financially difficult it is aging out of foster care. I watched my peers, and I envied the smallest of supports they would get from their parents and how one small thing would benefit them so greatly in their lives. Their parents could help them network and find jobs. Their parents let them live rent free in their homes? Made them meals? Paid their phones? Helped them get their drivers licence, helped them get a vehicle?
Meanwhile aged out girls have no preparation for budgeting, it’s sink or swim when it comes to life skills out there. You make a stupid mistake when you have parents, you still have a place to stay, you fuck up when you only got you? You go to a homeless shelter. And guess what? They have a limit to how long you can stay and you’re lucky if it’s two weeks.
These girls often need roommates because rent is too high to be able to afford as a single woman. This means these girls are more likely to rely on men in a common law style relationship. If these relationships go foul and the man starts abusing her, where will she go? A women’s shelter where there’s a limit on how long she is permitted to stay?
It is so easy for a women to end up on the streets, it is so easy for women to live in poverty. What is terrifying is being a terrified, desperate woman who wants to survive, and when she begs for help the only help that comes is men who say they’ll over her food or money in exchange for sexual services.
This is why I can’t fuck with liberal feminists. I can’t believe how cruel they are. That women who are protesting to getting preyed on by men and sexually exploited are accused of “excluding” an important aspect of feminism? Excuse me? Where? Human trafficking is important to you? Male orgasms are important to you? Maintaining a class of women that can be raped is an important feminist value to you? What the fuck even? Goddamn demon.
@feministfront I’m glad you deleted your post because it sucked
Don’t call yourself a feminist if you support the sex industry or call males women
Your brand of ‘feminism’ is the cheap knock off that only serves dick
Any version of feminism that excludes trans women and sex workers is not feminism that I can get behind (and, honestly, I seriously hesitate to even label that ideology a form of feminism. It’s really just a shitty, harmful knockoff).
1) The only “sex-workers” that are excluded are johns and pimps. Radical feminism is an ideology that critises the sex industry, not the sex workers. You’ve literally tagged this as “whorephobia”, funny, considering how that is used as a derogative.
2) Radical feminism preceded today’s current main form of feminism. It’s definitely not the knock-off.
3) Radical feminism centres around how behaviours are imposed on the female biological sex. You are correct that it excludes males, however they may identify, but all reproductive and health arguments automatically include all females, including those otherwise identified.
I remember aging out of foster care, and one of the concerns my social worker expressed for girls like me was that many girls who leave foster care end up in sex trafficking.
I remember being so horrified by this, as if this was going to be a likely and inescapable fate for me.
I learned first hand how financially difficult it is aging out of foster care. I watched my peers, and I envied the smallest of supports they would get from their parents and how one small thing would benefit them so greatly in their lives. Their parents could help them network and find jobs. Their parents let them live rent free in their homes? Made them meals? Paid their phones? Helped them get their drivers licence, helped them get a vehicle?
Meanwhile aged out girls have no preparation for budgeting, it’s sink or swim when it comes to life skills out there. You make a stupid mistake when you have parents, you still have a place to stay, you fuck up when you only got you? You go to a homeless shelter. And guess what? They have a limit to how long you can stay and you’re lucky if it’s two weeks.
These girls often need roommates because rent is too high to be able to afford as a single woman. This means these girls are more likely to rely on men in a common law style relationship. If these relationships go foul and the man starts abusing her, where will she go? A women’s shelter where there’s a limit on how long she is permitted to stay?
It is so easy for a women to end up on the streets, it is so easy for women to live in poverty. What is terrifying is being a terrified, desperate woman who wants to survive, and when she begs for help the only help that comes is men who say they’ll over her food or money in exchange for sexual services.
This is why I can’t fuck with liberal feminists. I can’t believe how cruel they are. That women who are protesting to getting preyed on by men and sexually exploited are accused of “excluding” an important aspect of feminism? Excuse me? Where? Human trafficking is important to you? Male orgasms are important to you? Maintaining a class of women that can be raped is an important feminist value to you? What the fuck even? Goddamn demon.
@feministfront I’m glad you deleted your post because it sucked
Don’t call yourself a feminist if you support the sex industry or call males women
Your brand of ‘feminism’ is the cheap knock off that only serves dick
Celtyradfem 