You got a trans woman to be considered enough of a woman to be put in the woman’s prison. You put a rapist into a woman’s prison, and you made that ok. You let women get harassed by rapist until the rapist was moved to solitary. You made that ok. Because the validation of the trans person mattered more.
Well done.
You kicked two women out of a women’s shelter. Because they were concerned that an intact(penis and balls) male would be in the their safe space. Because the trans persons feelings mattered more.
Well done.
You’ve made it cool to threaten women with violence. As long as you call her a terf, it’s ok. She deserves it. Transphobic bitch deserves to be beat right? Women getting punched at protests is fine since they were Terfs.
Well done.
You bully people who do not want sex with you. Label them transphobic. Because your validation matters more. You’ve created new laws that allow any male to enter the sex segregated spaces of the female. As long as that male states, “ I am woman”, he is believed and allowed in. So now female spaces, created for safety, are all access passes. Because trans people matter more.
Well done.
You threaten places to use “inclusive language” and bullied those who still said female genital mutilation, pregnant woman, and dared speak about vaginas. You’ve convinced the world that speaking about female anatomy is not inclusive, is bigoted.
Well done.
You’ve convinced the world that trans women have more right to speak about women’s rights, participate in women’s sports, hold women’s spaces in politics then women. You’ve convinced the world that males are women. And you sacrificed women in the process.
Because you suffer from a narcissistic, egotistical, misogynistic view that you matter more. That you deserve more.
You did not fight for trans spaces. You fought for women’s. And you steamrolled over women in the process.
You did not say I am trans and thats ok, now let’s fight against male violence together. You demanded we call you woman, demanded we allow you in womanhood, and you threatened those who disagreed.
You demand the world fall at your feet instead. You demand the world worship your needs above all others. Especially above women.
When we ask what is woman, you say, “ a feeling”. When woman is meant to mean adult human female. You call vaginas front holes and surgically altered and inverted penises vaginas. Because you need to be more woman than woman despite the fact that you cannot ever be woman, by woman’s own definition.
But the funny thing is, your ego will be your downfall.
I was prepared to fight for your right to trans spaces. I was prepared to support you when you bitched about having less dating options. Prepared to call you she if it made you feel better. Prepared to fight for your right to healthcare, and respect. Prepared to fight against gender and male violence against you. I was prepared to be your ally. Many women felt the same. Many terfs started as allies.
But then you said no. I don’t want trans spaces, I want yours. I want your vagina, your female spaces, I want you to stop using your words, I want you to stop talking about your body, I want to destroy you in your sports, take your places in public offices, schools, and organizations. I WANT YOUR WOMANHOOD. And you expected me to comply. To hand it over. And you’ve convinced many to do just that.
But women talk in the shadows about the truth. You cannot ever change sex. You can mimic the stereotypes of women, you can mimic our bodies, though considering the uterus, ovum, cervix, clit, pelvic floor, its a fairly poor mimic. You can “feminize” your face, though as an androgynous female thats a bit offensive, take voice lessons, and walking lessons, but you can never live the experience of being born female. You can never turn a male into a female so in truth sex change is a misnomer. You can never experience being born woman.
And that should have been ok with you. There is nothing wrong with admitting you are not the opposite sex. there is nothing wrong with having dysphoria and admitting that you are trans. There is nothing wrong with not fitting in with your natal sex. You can be something unique. And indeed if you look at the hundreds of ways trans people express their trans-ness, every trans person is unique. But all trans people are trans. But you decided that wasnt enough to fight for. It wasn’t enough to fight for your own unique being. At least it wasn’t enough for the male trans activists who became the loudest most volatile part of the movement. Instead you feel you must police the rest of the world into validating your dysphoria. But listen:
We don’t tell anorexics that their body dysmorphia is right and that they are fat.
We did not turn every restroom stall in the world into a disabled access stall.
We don’t force people to fuck incels.
We didn’t ban peanuts from existence when many people became deathly allergic.
We did not allow Rachel Dolezal to claim transracial.
And we shouldn’t be forced to sacrifice the needs and issues and concerns and spaces of 50% of the population for your minuscule undefinable group.
Most people who don’t fit in the norms, find ways to cope, they create support groups for themselves, spaces for themselves. Because most people get that life is not going to be fair for everyone, cater to everyones needs. The more you fight to destroy women’s right to woman, the more enemies you create.
You’ve managed to piss off lesbians and straight men for telling them its transphobic to not want your “lady dick.”
You’ve managed to piss off women by trying to claim womanhood and destroy our earned fought for spaces and condemn our need for safety as hate.
You’ve pissed off parents by trying to convince them their nonconforming child is trans and should have medicalized puberty blocking that can leave children underdeveloped and sterile.
Bye bye grandkids and even future sex lives sometimes.
You’ve turned your own allies against you by becoming hostile at mere questions.
You’ve united women of color, white women, men, conservatives, liberals, moderates, lesbians, gay men, even de-transitioned trans people against you.
So well done. P.S. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Trans people get lynched out on the streets and tortured to death under sharia law and who do you yell at, western women on the internet. Of course! That makes perfect sense!! 🙂
How does he think that that man is deliberately jumping and the man behind him didn’t push him?
How does he not recognise that they are being executed for being gay?
You got a trans woman to be considered enough of a woman to be put in the woman’s prison. You put a rapist into a woman’s prison, and you made that ok. You let women get harassed by rapist until the rapist was moved to solitary. You made that ok. Because the validation of the trans person mattered more.
Well done.
You kicked two women out of a women’s shelter. Because they were concerned that an intact(penis and balls) male would be in the their safe space. Because the trans persons feelings mattered more.
Well done.
You’ve made it cool to threaten women with violence. As long as you call her a terf, it’s ok. She deserves it. Transphobic bitch deserves to be beat right? Women getting punched at protests is fine since they were Terfs.
Well done.
You bully people who do not want sex with you. Label them transphobic. Because your validation matters more. You’ve created new laws that allow any male to enter the sex segregated spaces of the female. As long as that male states, “ I am woman”, he is believed and allowed in. So now female spaces, created for safety, are all access passes. Because trans people matter more.
Well done.
You threaten places to use “inclusive language” and bullied those who still said female genital mutilation, pregnant woman, and dared speak about vaginas. You’ve convinced the world that speaking about female anatomy is not inclusive, is bigoted.
Well done.
You’ve convinced the world that trans women have more right to speak about women’s rights, participate in women’s sports, hold women’s spaces in politics then women. You’ve convinced the world that males are women. And you sacrificed women in the process.
Because you suffer from a narcissistic, egotistical, misogynistic view that you matter more. That you deserve more.
You did not fight for trans spaces. You fought for women’s. And you steamrolled over women in the process.
You did not say I am trans and thats ok, now let’s fight against male violence together. You demanded we call you woman, demanded we allow you in womanhood, and you threatened those who disagreed.
You demand the world fall at your feet instead. You demand the world worship your needs above all others. Especially above women.
When we ask what is woman, you say, “ a feeling”. When woman is meant to mean adult human female. You call vaginas front holes and surgically altered and inverted penises vaginas. Because you need to be more woman than woman despite the fact that you cannot ever be woman, by woman’s own definition.
But the funny thing is, your ego will be your downfall.
I was prepared to fight for your right to trans spaces. I was prepared to support you when you bitched about having less dating options. Prepared to call you she if it made you feel better. Prepared to fight for your right to healthcare, and respect. Prepared to fight against gender and male violence against you. I was prepared to be your ally. Many women felt the same. Many terfs started as allies.
But then you said no. I don’t want trans spaces, I want yours. I want your vagina, your female spaces, I want you to stop using your words, I want you to stop talking about your body, I want to destroy you in your sports, take your places in public offices, schools, and organizations. I WANT YOUR WOMANHOOD. And you expected me to comply. To hand it over. And you’ve convinced many to do just that.
But women talk in the shadows about the truth. You cannot ever change sex. You can mimic the stereotypes of women, you can mimic our bodies, though considering the uterus, ovum, cervix, clit, pelvic floor, its a fairly poor mimic. You can “feminize” your face, though as an androgynous female thats a bit offensive, take voice lessons, and walking lessons, but you can never live the experience of being born female. You can never turn a male into a female so in truth sex change is a misnomer. You can never experience being born woman.
And that should have been ok with you. There is nothing wrong with admitting you are not the opposite sex. there is nothing wrong with having dysphoria and admitting that you are trans. There is nothing wrong with not fitting in with your natal sex. You can be something unique. And indeed if you look at the hundreds of ways trans people express their trans-ness, every trans person is unique. But all trans people are trans. But you decided that wasnt enough to fight for. It wasn’t enough to fight for your own unique being. At least it wasn’t enough for the male trans activists who became the loudest most volatile part of the movement. Instead you feel you must police the rest of the world into validating your dysphoria. But listen:
We don’t tell anorexics that their body dysmorphia is right and that they are fat.
We did not turn every restroom stall in the world into a disabled access stall.
We don’t force people to fuck incels.
We didn’t ban peanuts from existence when many people became deathly allergic.
We did not allow Rachel Dolezal to claim transracial.
And we shouldn’t be forced to sacrifice the needs and issues and concerns and spaces of 50% of the population for your minuscule undefinable group.
Most people who don’t fit in the norms, find ways to cope, they create support groups for themselves, spaces for themselves. Because most people get that life is not going to be fair for everyone, cater to everyones needs. The more you fight to destroy women’s right to woman, the more enemies you create.
You’ve managed to piss off lesbians and straight men for telling them its transphobic to not want your “lady dick.”
You’ve managed to piss off women by trying to claim womanhood and destroy our earned fought for spaces and condemn our need for safety as hate.
You’ve pissed off parents by trying to convince them their nonconforming child is trans and should have medicalized puberty blocking that can leave children underdeveloped and sterile.
Bye bye grandkids and even future sex lives sometimes.
You’ve turned your own allies against you by becoming hostile at mere questions.
You’ve united women of color, white women, men, conservatives, liberals, moderates, lesbians, gay men, even de-transitioned trans people against you.
So well done. P.S. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Trans people get lynched out on the streets and tortured to death under sharia law and who do you yell at, western women on the internet. Of course! That makes perfect sense!! 🙂
How does he think that that man is deliberately jumping and the man behind him didn’t push him?
How does he not recognise that they are being executed for being gay?
Looks like another radfem went and recorded audio. Her description of the events is far more detailed than mine (her memory and hearing is probably way better than mine haha), so go check it out.
Looks like another radfem went and recorded audio. Her description of the events is far more detailed than mine (her memory and hearing is probably way better than mine haha), so go check it out.
so has any human being who isn’t an MRA or a troll or a terf in disguise actually used the term ‘cotton ceiling’ or
I’m an MRA and I’ve never heard that term before. What is it supposed to mean?
it means nobody likes you go away
Gonna assume it’s not something I’d ever say then.
Cotton ceiling is the tendency of trans women to be excluded from the higher echelons of (cis-dominated) women’s and queer spaces — specifically within the porn industry, but also society in general. It is a manifestation of transmisogyny at the intersection of cissexism, misogyny, and the glass ceiling
I mean I don’t use it, and I don’t really understand it etymologically, and I think it’s couched in a lot of fancy language which means a lot less than it says, but… I don’t see what’s wrong with it, either…
You don’t see what’s wrong with women’s underwear being called a barrier to be broken through?
the underwear being referred to ISNT the cis women’s; it’s the trans woman’s (or fat, disabled, nonwhite, etc. woman- the cotton ceiling often refers to radicalized bodies in general). the implication is that what is in the trans woman’s pants is excluding her from spaces and connections, and it’s something she needs to overcome. transphobes twisted the language the other way to demonize trans women.
Dude, I was around for the Cotton Ceiling Conference.
Like, literally irl around. It was hosted nearby, even, and I spoke with Morgan Page, one of the people presenting it.
It distinctly referred to the underwear of lesbians who refused to find trans women sexually attractive.
But hey, don’t take my word for it! Let’s hear from Avory Faucette, a trans activist involved with the Cotton Ceiling:
[T]he cotton ceiling [is] us[ed] to challenge cis lesbians’ tendency to support trans causes generally but draw the line at sleeping with trans women or including trans lesbians in their sexual communities.
Drew Deveaux, the originator of the term, is even more specific:
“The cotton ceiling is a theory proposed [by trans porn star and activist Drew DeVeaux] to explain the experiences queer trans women have with simultaneous social inclusion and sexual exclusion within the broader queer women’s communities. Basically, it means that cis queer women will be friends with us and talk day and night about trans rights and ending transmisogyny, but will still not consider us viable sexual partners.
The term cotton ceiling is a reference to the “glass ceiling” that second wave feminist identified in the workforce, wherein women could only advance so high in the workforce but could not break through into positions of power and authority. The cotton represents underwear, signifying sex.”
So right there from the horses’ mouth–
The cotton ceiling represents underwear, signifying sex, and the underwear in question refers specifically to lesbians’
Please, don’t try to retcon history to someone who watched it go down.
They are trying to backtrack and rewrite their own disgusting misogynist terms to make them more palatable to the masses. Nope. The cotton ceiling is most definitely rape culture rhetoric. Anyone who says otherwise is flat out lying because they know how disgusting it makes them look.
“Sexual exclusion”. What a rape-y thing to call women’s natural boundaries.
^ From the horses mouth (again)
^ “Breaking sexual barriers” (implying that the “cotton” part of “cotton ceiling” = women’s underwear to be “broken” through, as one would wish to “break” through a glass ceiling)
^ Even from a pro-trans perspective this sounds entitled and rape-y as shit!!
so has any human being who isn’t an MRA or a troll or a terf in disguise actually used the term ‘cotton ceiling’ or
I’m an MRA and I’ve never heard that term before. What is it supposed to mean?
it means nobody likes you go away
Gonna assume it’s not something I’d ever say then.
Cotton ceiling is the tendency of trans women to be excluded from the higher echelons of (cis-dominated) women’s and queer spaces — specifically within the porn industry, but also society in general. It is a manifestation of transmisogyny at the intersection of cissexism, misogyny, and the glass ceiling
I mean I don’t use it, and I don’t really understand it etymologically, and I think it’s couched in a lot of fancy language which means a lot less than it says, but… I don’t see what’s wrong with it, either…
You don’t see what’s wrong with women’s underwear being called a barrier to be broken through?
the underwear being referred to ISNT the cis women’s; it’s the trans woman’s (or fat, disabled, nonwhite, etc. woman- the cotton ceiling often refers to radicalized bodies in general). the implication is that what is in the trans woman’s pants is excluding her from spaces and connections, and it’s something she needs to overcome. transphobes twisted the language the other way to demonize trans women.
Dude, I was around for the Cotton Ceiling Conference.
Like, literally irl around. It was hosted nearby, even, and I spoke with Morgan Page, one of the people presenting it.
It distinctly referred to the underwear of lesbians who refused to find trans women sexually attractive.
But hey, don’t take my word for it! Let’s hear from Avory Faucette, a trans activist involved with the Cotton Ceiling:
[T]he cotton ceiling [is] us[ed] to challenge cis lesbians’ tendency to support trans causes generally but draw the line at sleeping with trans women or including trans lesbians in their sexual communities.
Drew Deveaux, the originator of the term, is even more specific:
“The cotton ceiling is a theory proposed [by trans porn star and activist Drew DeVeaux] to explain the experiences queer trans women have with simultaneous social inclusion and sexual exclusion within the broader queer women’s communities. Basically, it means that cis queer women will be friends with us and talk day and night about trans rights and ending transmisogyny, but will still not consider us viable sexual partners.
The term cotton ceiling is a reference to the “glass ceiling” that second wave feminist identified in the workforce, wherein women could only advance so high in the workforce but could not break through into positions of power and authority. The cotton represents underwear, signifying sex.”
So right there from the horses’ mouth–
The cotton ceiling represents underwear, signifying sex, and the underwear in question refers specifically to lesbians’
Please, don’t try to retcon history to someone who watched it go down.
They are trying to backtrack and rewrite their own disgusting misogynist terms to make them more palatable to the masses. Nope. The cotton ceiling is most definitely rape culture rhetoric. Anyone who says otherwise is flat out lying because they know how disgusting it makes them look.
“Sexual exclusion”. What a rape-y thing to call women’s natural boundaries.
^ From the horses mouth (again)
^ “Breaking sexual barriers” (implying that the “cotton” part of “cotton ceiling” = women’s underwear to be “broken” through, as one would wish to “break” through a glass ceiling)
^ Even from a pro-trans perspective this sounds entitled and rape-y as shit!!
tbh i used to be super supportive of the trans community but i started seeing more and more ugliness from the community and then i just stopped supporting. I started to question how it all seems to rely on gender stereotypes, and guess what next thing you know im labeled a terf? i didn’t even know what that was until i became one. i didn’t just wake up one morning and start hating trans people for no reason. i’ve always been pretty open minded, and i gave the trans community a chance, and? i saw so much toxicity in it. now i criticize it with no hesitation.
and now i see how even when women make a slight questioning of it, they are reprimanded. like when laci green said she’s open to discussion about trans politics, or when chimamanda adichie said their experience is different than that of a womans. you don’t even need to be transphobic to be a terf. you just need to be critical and ask and acknowledge differences in experience and basic sociology. . if your not open to discussion and rely on silencing tactics and ad hominems and circular reasoning when questioned, then your ideology is probably full of fallacies.
They want total obedience. Not respect like they claim.
tbh i used to be super supportive of the trans community but i started seeing more and more ugliness from the community and then i just stopped supporting. I started to question how it all seems to rely on gender stereotypes, and guess what next thing you know im labeled a terf? i didn’t even know what that was until i became one. i didn’t just wake up one morning and start hating trans people for no reason. i’ve always been pretty open minded, and i gave the trans community a chance, and? i saw so much toxicity in it. now i criticize it with no hesitation.
and now i see how even when women make a slight questioning of it, they are reprimanded. like when laci green said she’s open to discussion about trans politics, or when chimamanda adichie said their experience is different than that of a womans. you don’t even need to be transphobic to be a terf. you just need to be critical and ask and acknowledge differences in experience and basic sociology. . if your not open to discussion and rely on silencing tactics and ad hominems and circular reasoning when questioned, then your ideology is probably full of fallacies.
They want total obedience. Not respect like they claim.
Celtyradfem 