Blocking like a little bitch and running after you lost doesn’t mean it’s over.
I’ve finally finished my response to grizzabellowing. I typed up a draft response earlier but she blocked me so it didn’t save.
“"You have done the intellectual equivalent of attempting to demolish an old house, while doing nothing but scraping away the wallpaper in a back room that nobody even bothers to use any more”
You are as bad at lying as you are at research. Your position was disproved within the first three links and you’re going to pretend the basis of your argument wasn’t disproved.
I can’t find the last post you link dumped but you moved the goal posts claiming I only proved transgender brains were different from normal brains or some shit. I can’t remember what you actually said because you but you pretended you weren’t advocating for the lady brain theory because you conceded that there is some overlap in women’s brains and men’s brains.
This study examining the brain structures of trans males and trans females states:
“"Untreated MtFs and FtMs who have an early onset of their gender dysphoria and are sexually oriented to persons of their natal sex show a distinctive brain morphology, reflecting a brain phenotype. These phenotypes are different from those of heterosexual males or females; the differences affect the right hemisphere and cortical structures underlying body perception. The genesis of these phenotypes might be caused by atypical effects of sex hormones or their metabolites in specific cortical regions of MtFs and FtMs.”
Which suggests brain irregularities are caused by taking artificial hormones not an innate brain structure.
“The review of the available data seems to support two existing hypotheses: (1) a brain-restricted intersexuality in homosexual MtFs and FtMs and (2) Blanchard’s insight on the existence of two brain phenotypes that differentiate “homosexual” and “nonhomosexual” MtFs. The studies on the effects of cross-sex hormone treatment on the brain of MtFs and FtMs consistently indicate dramatic effects on the gray and white matter after short- to medium-term treatments but the long-term effects on the brain require evaluation.”
Which would explain the differences in white and grey brain matter.
“Finally, the postmortem studies should be interpreted in light of these in vivo findings as well as of their underlying mechanisms.”“”
Studies like Zhou et al. failed to take this into account (and the small sample size was unreliable).
“In 2000 Kruijver published a study into BTSc neurons in 7 transsexuals and 1 gender dysphoric man. The study does not provide any evidence of a male or female brain in transsexuals. It is clear that the changes in BTSc neurons in the brain, measured in the study, were as a direct result of transgender hormone treatment and in the case of the gender dysphoric man, likely, a statistical anomaly. There have been non transsexual individuals who have a number of BTSc neurons in their brains consistent with members of the opposite biological sex.”
The correlation between BSTc levels and transsexuality are inconclusive.
In 2000, Kruijver et al. published a study in which they looked at the number of neurons in the BSTc, part of the brain. They examined tissue from the same six MtF transsexuals studied by Zhou et al; one female-to-male (FtM) transsexual and from an 84-yr-old man who “had very strong cross-gender identity feelings but was never … sex-reassigned”. The research says that:
1. The average BSTc neuron number in males was 71% higher than in females.
2. The six MtF transsexuals had an average BSTc neuron number in the female range.
3. The BSTc neuron number was also in the female range in the gender dysphoric male who had not received treatment for transgenderism, and was in the male range in the FtM transsexual.
This study is posted to show that:
a. The brains of FtoM transsexuals are a male one and of MtoF a female one.
b. That the existence of the one gender dysphoric male in the study, shows that sex-change hormone treatment did not cause these changes.
However in reality the study is flawed for the following reasons:
“In 2002, research carried out by Chung, De Vries, and Swaab, showed that the differences in the number of neurons in the BSTc between females and males, did not take place until adulthood – at the earliest 22 years of age. As the majority of Transexuals report feeling that they are in the wrong body before the age of 22, these feelings appear to not be influenced by the number of neurons in the BSTc in the brain.”
“A recent study by Hulshoff Pol in 2006 showed the major effect transgender hormone therapy has on the brains of transsexuals: In eight MtF transsexuals treated for 4 months with ethinyl estradiol and CPA, total brain volume and hypothalamic volume decreased significantly with hormone therapy. It is clear that the hormones the 6 Mto F and 1 FtoM took are the most likely explanation for the finding in relation to the number of neurons in the BTSc part of the brain.”
The irregularities in trans people’s brains are hormone induced and are not innate.
“The one gender dysphoric male may have an atypical number of neurons in the BTSc part of his brain either because of his advanced age (84 years) or undisclosed hormone use.”
BSTc levels don’t indicate artificial hormone use and aging. They don’t indicate lady brain.
“In any event, a single case means very little. The same study found two non-gender-dysphoric men in their control group who had BSTc neuron numbers almost identical to that of a Transsexual MtoF individual.”
Studies show yet again that trans males have brains similar to men but not women.
“Contrary to a popular misconception, this study did not look at any nontranssexual men who had been treated with estrogen (for example, for prostate cancer) or any nontranssexual women who had been treated with testosterone. They did examine one woman, in whom an adrenal tumor had produced increased testosterone levels and one man, in whom an adrenal tumor had produced increased estradiol levels. Neither individual had BSTc volumes or neuron numbers that were unusual for their sex, but it is probable that their cross-sex hormone levels, although increased, had not been high enough and had not lasted long enough5to be equivalent to the 5-20 years of cross-sex hormone therapy that the transsexuals had received. So in conclusion, the 7 transsexuals studied had BTSc neurons in their brain consistent with the opposite biological sex, as a direct result of hormone treatment taken as part of their transitioning process. The 1 individual who is not documented as having taken hormones may have either taken them without medical knowledge, or is simply an anomaly.”
In conclusion:
Trans male’s brains are more similar to men’s brains than women’s brains
Lady brain don’t real
Have fun being a pawn of trans males
I’m blocking you after this so you can’t link dump and run like the coward you are
Blocking like a little bitch and running after you lost doesn’t mean it’s over.
I’ve finally finished my response to grizzabellowing. I typed up a draft response earlier but she blocked me so it didn’t save.
“"You have done the intellectual equivalent of attempting to demolish an old house, while doing nothing but scraping away the wallpaper in a back room that nobody even bothers to use any more”
You are as bad at lying as you are at research. Your position was disproved within the first three links and you’re going to pretend the basis of your argument wasn’t disproved.
I can’t find the last post you link dumped but you moved the goal posts claiming I only proved transgender brains were different from normal brains or some shit. I can’t remember what you actually said because you but you pretended you weren’t advocating for the lady brain theory because you conceded that there is some overlap in women’s brains and men’s brains.
This study examining the brain structures of trans males and trans females states:
“"Untreated MtFs and FtMs who have an early onset of their gender dysphoria and are sexually oriented to persons of their natal sex show a distinctive brain morphology, reflecting a brain phenotype. These phenotypes are different from those of heterosexual males or females; the differences affect the right hemisphere and cortical structures underlying body perception. The genesis of these phenotypes might be caused by atypical effects of sex hormones or their metabolites in specific cortical regions of MtFs and FtMs.”
Which suggests brain irregularities are caused by taking artificial hormones not an innate brain structure.
“The review of the available data seems to support two existing hypotheses: (1) a brain-restricted intersexuality in homosexual MtFs and FtMs and (2) Blanchard’s insight on the existence of two brain phenotypes that differentiate “homosexual” and “nonhomosexual” MtFs. The studies on the effects of cross-sex hormone treatment on the brain of MtFs and FtMs consistently indicate dramatic effects on the gray and white matter after short- to medium-term treatments but the long-term effects on the brain require evaluation.”
Which would explain the differences in white and grey brain matter.
“Finally, the postmortem studies should be interpreted in light of these in vivo findings as well as of their underlying mechanisms.”“”
Studies like Zhou et al. failed to take this into account (and the small sample size was unreliable).
“In 2000 Kruijver published a study into BTSc neurons in 7 transsexuals and 1 gender dysphoric man. The study does not provide any evidence of a male or female brain in transsexuals. It is clear that the changes in BTSc neurons in the brain, measured in the study, were as a direct result of transgender hormone treatment and in the case of the gender dysphoric man, likely, a statistical anomaly. There have been non transsexual individuals who have a number of BTSc neurons in their brains consistent with members of the opposite biological sex.”
The correlation between BSTc levels and transsexuality are inconclusive.
In 2000, Kruijver et al. published a study in which they looked at the number of neurons in the BSTc, part of the brain. They examined tissue from the same six MtF transsexuals studied by Zhou et al; one female-to-male (FtM) transsexual and from an 84-yr-old man who “had very strong cross-gender identity feelings but was never … sex-reassigned”. The research says that:
1. The average BSTc neuron number in males was 71% higher than in females.
2. The six MtF transsexuals had an average BSTc neuron number in the female range.
3. The BSTc neuron number was also in the female range in the gender dysphoric male who had not received treatment for transgenderism, and was in the male range in the FtM transsexual.
This study is posted to show that:
a. The brains of FtoM transsexuals are a male one and of MtoF a female one.
b. That the existence of the one gender dysphoric male in the study, shows that sex-change hormone treatment did not cause these changes.
However in reality the study is flawed for the following reasons:
“In 2002, research carried out by Chung, De Vries, and Swaab, showed that the differences in the number of neurons in the BSTc between females and males, did not take place until adulthood – at the earliest 22 years of age. As the majority of Transexuals report feeling that they are in the wrong body before the age of 22, these feelings appear to not be influenced by the number of neurons in the BSTc in the brain.”
“A recent study by Hulshoff Pol in 2006 showed the major effect transgender hormone therapy has on the brains of transsexuals: In eight MtF transsexuals treated for 4 months with ethinyl estradiol and CPA, total brain volume and hypothalamic volume decreased significantly with hormone therapy. It is clear that the hormones the 6 Mto F and 1 FtoM took are the most likely explanation for the finding in relation to the number of neurons in the BTSc part of the brain.”
The irregularities in trans people’s brains are hormone induced and are not innate.
“The one gender dysphoric male may have an atypical number of neurons in the BTSc part of his brain either because of his advanced age (84 years) or undisclosed hormone use.”
BSTc levels don’t indicate artificial hormone use and aging. They don’t indicate lady brain.
“In any event, a single case means very little. The same study found two non-gender-dysphoric men in their control group who had BSTc neuron numbers almost identical to that of a Transsexual MtoF individual.”
Studies show yet again that trans males have brains similar to men but not women.
“Contrary to a popular misconception, this study did not look at any nontranssexual men who had been treated with estrogen (for example, for prostate cancer) or any nontranssexual women who had been treated with testosterone. They did examine one woman, in whom an adrenal tumor had produced increased testosterone levels and one man, in whom an adrenal tumor had produced increased estradiol levels. Neither individual had BSTc volumes or neuron numbers that were unusual for their sex, but it is probable that their cross-sex hormone levels, although increased, had not been high enough and had not lasted long enough5to be equivalent to the 5-20 years of cross-sex hormone therapy that the transsexuals had received. So in conclusion, the 7 transsexuals studied had BTSc neurons in their brain consistent with the opposite biological sex, as a direct result of hormone treatment taken as part of their transitioning process. The 1 individual who is not documented as having taken hormones may have either taken them without medical knowledge, or is simply an anomaly.”
In conclusion:
Trans male’s brains are more similar to men’s brains than women’s brains
Lady brain don’t real
Have fun being a pawn of trans males
I’m blocking you after this so you can’t link dump and run like the coward you are
radical feminists… voting for a womanizer and serial rapist….
sometimes i die laughing at these absolute maniacs
Saying things that make Terfs react is my new fav thing to do.
I heard TERFs are animal abusers too.
saying things that leave you unable to react is terf’s favorite thing to do.
like how you, a white edgy child, can’t keep the n slur out of your mouth.
Is that all you got? The same thing I have heard over a thousand times already? Lol. At least I don’t support someone who works for an animal clinic that is responsible for a dogs death, abuses animals, discriminates against breeds and uses aversive training.
Why do TERF abuse dogs?
“yeah i say nigga but at least i dont (makes something up without a single source)”
“Makes something up with no proof”
What was that?
“Tell ur friends I abuse dogs”
So are you a woman abuser and racist by association, though, or does your psychotic black and white thinking only apply when you’re accusing someone else? You associated with a known Nazi, you cracker bitch, so can we assume you abuse Jewish people and people of color? Oh wait, we don’t have to assume:
It’s funny that your dumb white ass thinks you can apply guilt by association to someone for holding a job, as if there is a single job with unproblematic administrators/owners, but you don’t take responsibility for your own racist ass self. Is every Amazon warehouse worker responsible for Amazon abusing their HUMAN employees? You’re not guilty of your own fucking words but someone else is of fucking having a job. You dumbass.
So you can pull up shit that doesn’t name EF at all and claim it means she hates dogs but your brain dead ass can’t apply the same standards to yourself, for shit you actually said? Imagine being that fucking dumb. Shut the
“TERF’s voted for Trump, pass it along” but your dumb cracker ass actually voted for his freak predecessor and used the #whydoblackpeople hashtag unironically as a white woman. So if she’s guilty for some random ass reviews that never name her, you’re definitely guilty for your own cracker shit. Hold on, let me pull up bad reviews of your girlfriend’s university OTHER than the fact that it’s basically 100% white lmao. Is she guilty for their pro-white policy or nah? But let me guess, y’all have friends who aren’t white who will vouch for you?
Lmao brutalized
Lmao those tweets don’t even exist, now they are they are making up tweets. I wasnt even old enough to vote in 2012 😂😭. You probably made up the other tweets too.
Lesbiani supports animal abusers too. Just like all TERFs.
Btw, as someone who loves dogs, I wouldn’t ever work for a company that ABUSES ANIMALS AND KILLS THEM.
You’re part of a community that abuses animals, though, you gigantic hypocrite. What do you think PreMarin is?
transwomen would be lost without their horse hormones. Premarin comes from a horrible that animal-rights activists like me fought and thought we were winning against. I guess growing unnatural breasts is more important than some dumb ol’ horses, though, right, “girls”?
radical feminists… voting for a womanizer and serial rapist….
sometimes i die laughing at these absolute maniacs
Saying things that make Terfs react is my new fav thing to do.
I heard TERFs are animal abusers too.
saying things that leave you unable to react is terf’s favorite thing to do.
like how you, a white edgy child, can’t keep the n slur out of your mouth.
Is that all you got? The same thing I have heard over a thousand times already? Lol. At least I don’t support someone who works for an animal clinic that is responsible for a dogs death, abuses animals, discriminates against breeds and uses aversive training.
Why do TERF abuse dogs?
“yeah i say nigga but at least i dont (makes something up without a single source)”
“Makes something up with no proof”
What was that?
“Tell ur friends I abuse dogs”
So are you a woman abuser and racist by association, though, or does your psychotic black and white thinking only apply when you’re accusing someone else? You associated with a known Nazi, you cracker bitch, so can we assume you abuse Jewish people and people of color? Oh wait, we don’t have to assume:
It’s funny that your dumb white ass thinks you can apply guilt by association to someone for holding a job, as if there is a single job with unproblematic administrators/owners, but you don’t take responsibility for your own racist ass self. Is every Amazon warehouse worker responsible for Amazon abusing their HUMAN employees? You’re not guilty of your own fucking words but someone else is of fucking having a job. You dumbass.
So you can pull up shit that doesn’t name EF at all and claim it means she hates dogs but your brain dead ass can’t apply the same standards to yourself, for shit you actually said? Imagine being that fucking dumb. Shut the
“TERF’s voted for Trump, pass it along” but your dumb cracker ass actually voted for his freak predecessor and used the #whydoblackpeople hashtag unironically as a white woman. So if she’s guilty for some random ass reviews that never name her, you’re definitely guilty for your own cracker shit. Hold on, let me pull up bad reviews of your girlfriend’s university OTHER than the fact that it’s basically 100% white lmao. Is she guilty for their pro-white policy or nah? But let me guess, y’all have friends who aren’t white who will vouch for you?
Lmao brutalized
Lmao those tweets don’t even exist, now they are they are making up tweets. I wasnt even old enough to vote in 2012 😂😭. You probably made up the other tweets too.
Lesbiani supports animal abusers too. Just like all TERFs.
Btw, as someone who loves dogs, I wouldn’t ever work for a company that ABUSES ANIMALS AND KILLS THEM.
You’re part of a community that abuses animals, though, you gigantic hypocrite. What do you think PreMarin is?
transwomen would be lost without their horse hormones. Premarin comes from a horrible that animal-rights activists like me fought and thought we were winning against. I guess growing unnatural breasts is more important than some dumb ol’ horses, though, right, “girls”?
I just saw a post of some bitch saying that trans women can’t have periods and that it’s an “insult” to cis-women to suggest that they can. Sweetheart, if they’re on estrogen and get cramps and bloat and get everything else a period brings you (minus the blood though), THEY’RE HAVING A PERIOD. NOBODY NEEDS YOUR TRANSPHOBIC, BACKWARDS-MINDED ASS SAYING SHIT LIKE THIS.
This is what I can’t stand about mysandrists who claim they’re for a good cause, they go into this kind of crazy mindset…
Anyway, trans women can’t have periods.
it is physically impossible for a male person to shed his uterine lining. literally it cannot happen. trans women cannot have periods, period. !
It was smart of her to delete this embarrassing post
I just started my period and I feel bloated and hearing dumbasses claim men can get periods pisses me off
“This is what I can’t stand about mysandrists who claim they’re for a good cause”
Of all the things to cry ‘misandry’ over saying men can’t get periods (true fact) is what draws the line
“they go into this kind of crazy mindset…”
We must be on our periods….at the same time….at all times
I just saw a post of some bitch saying that trans women can’t have periods and that it’s an “insult” to cis-women to suggest that they can. Sweetheart, if they’re on estrogen and get cramps and bloat and get everything else a period brings you (minus the blood though), THEY’RE HAVING A PERIOD. NOBODY NEEDS YOUR TRANSPHOBIC, BACKWARDS-MINDED ASS SAYING SHIT LIKE THIS.
This is what I can’t stand about mysandrists who claim they’re for a good cause, they go into this kind of crazy mindset…
Anyway, trans women can’t have periods.
it is physically impossible for a male person to shed his uterine lining. literally it cannot happen. trans women cannot have periods, period. !
It was smart of her to delete this embarrassing post
I just started my period and I feel bloated and hearing dumbasses claim men can get periods pisses me off
“This is what I can’t stand about mysandrists who claim they’re for a good cause”
Of all the things to cry ‘misandry’ over saying men can’t get periods (true fact) is what draws the line
“they go into this kind of crazy mindset…”
We must be on our periods….at the same time….at all times
@partyshadow Isn’t reducing women down to gender stereotypes and immeasurable feelings inherently sexist?
Isn’t pretending that women are disconnected from their biology an insult to their intelligence?
Aren’t you tired of asking stupid questions?
@partyshadow are yall ever going to come up with some new bullshit? Is calling a library a “building” reducing it to a bunch of bricks? Or are yall just salty that pointing out that women have vaginas means any creature with a penis isn’t a woman? I think it’s the latter.
This rhetoric is insulting to women
They use it to try and embarrass women for knowing we are female and rejecting gender roles and transgenderism
The “walking vaginas” rhetoric is a sneaky to call women cunts
What does it even mean to “reduce a woman to a vagina”?? I want a formal definition.
This should be used to refer to the straight men who look at women and see a body to fuck, without any relevant humanity or wants and needs. How is that the same as highlighting a defining characteristic of a group??
It’s not. They just repeat it like the cult they are because they have no substantial arguments and all they can manage is regurgitating the same three lines over and over again
I love how they’re implying that stating that women have a vagina is reductive
Despite this trans activists claiming trans males have ‘female’ brains isn’t reductive
@partyshadow Isn’t reducing women down to gender stereotypes and immeasurable feelings inherently sexist?
Isn’t pretending that women are disconnected from their biology an insult to their intelligence?
Aren’t you tired of asking stupid questions?
@partyshadow are yall ever going to come up with some new bullshit? Is calling a library a “building” reducing it to a bunch of bricks? Or are yall just salty that pointing out that women have vaginas means any creature with a penis isn’t a woman? I think it’s the latter.
This rhetoric is insulting to women
They use it to try and embarrass women for knowing we are female and rejecting gender roles and transgenderism
The “walking vaginas” rhetoric is a sneaky to call women cunts
What does it even mean to “reduce a woman to a vagina”?? I want a formal definition.
This should be used to refer to the straight men who look at women and see a body to fuck, without any relevant humanity or wants and needs. How is that the same as highlighting a defining characteristic of a group??
It’s not. They just repeat it like the cult they are because they have no substantial arguments and all they can manage is regurgitating the same three lines over and over again
I love how they’re implying that stating that women have a vagina is reductive
Despite this trans activists claiming trans males have ‘female’ brains isn’t reductive
Celtyradfem 